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Onomotopoeia

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A great start would be eliminating mandatory psych holds, or at the very least changing drastically what might "justify" the suspension of freedom in pursuit of mental health. IMO being suicidal, even with a plan, should never be grounds for removal of freedom, for an adult, full stop.
You could argue some benefit for children, but I wont get into that baby steps and point blank if your an adult there should be no scenario where you lose freedom on account of words that harm nobody, especially in a system that is often more harmful than helpful in that instance.

A second step would be enabling/creating options that are not strictly pill farms/therapy. Yes, Therapy can help some, for some people and should still be an option. However, therapies limitations are often that in practice and in the privacy of your own life it can be difficult to remember/make use of/effectively use any coping skills you may have been learning.

There are i/p and intensive outpatient programs that allow you to live your life so to speak and have a structure to learn those skills but these are expensive/time intensive and often again forced adventures limiting the effectiveness for those who use it, and eliminating whole segments of the population. Most mental illness can be managed in some fashion with a combination of support, coping skills, life lessons, activities, support, understanding, and opportunities, which you get with support.

Yes, I did a lot of repeating myself but it's worth repeating. Having a large, understanding support system makes managing most conditions way easier. Now, don't mistake this for family and friends who may be well intentioned, people are flawed and sometimes (often even?) can make things worse for the people they are trying to support.

So, for me I envision the best thing that could happen for mental health treatments is something akin to a localized community center with a ton of caveats making it a viable option for anyone looking for support to just walk in (or be picked up).

A Peer run, psychiatry backed, research focused community center with a focus on building relationships, improving coping skills, while eliminating the stigma of it being a mental health facility, because it really wouldn't be. It would be an activity center with mental health in mind.

1. Activities are built with a focus of building new relationships (see: support) can be anything from sports, board games, roleplaying games, hiking, painting, ceramics, hydrodipping, writing, poetry, improv, acting, think groups, robotics, rc cars, music etc.. None of these things are important, the interaction is so pick and choose what works.

2. Educational/interactive classes teaching any of the above + whatever else, it doesn't need to be professional quality just sufficient enough to grab/keep interest and get people interacting to build relationships (see: support)

3. not sure exactly how you would make this work but eliminate the lonely stigma. If someone has no existing support at all and/or available they may be leery about going somewhere alone so find a way to alleviate that walking in awkwardness. It wouldn't get people in the door the first time, but it might get them to come back. Something along the lines of random groupings right away? Again not sure but there are people out there smarter than me.

4. Peer support on site, psychologist/psychiatrist available sometimes and utilize them to create and engage above activities in a manner that makes it effective interaction/use of coping skills. I.e. not just a bunch of random activities but guided interaction to keep it productive

5. Actual Mental health support features, group therapy, team buildings sessions for strangers, resources for one on one if you so desire but probably not a built in feature here. Help finding a therapist if you want (lets face it a lot of them suck)

i've been rattling around with some kind of idea in my head for years but i'm incapable of making it more than that. I'm sure it has numerous issues and might even have failed from the get go, but the idea is in my head, because I know I would go, im also fairly sure it would work as a support for me, so i'm guessing some others would feel similar.

Yes, it wont be for everyone and might even just be a failed idea, but then again maybe not.

The whole point behind my thought process is a clinical therapy session can only get you so far (if at all) but having a variety of support available and building organic relationships as well as having something productive to do is fantastic for your mental health, full stop.

If we could find a way to create organic relationships and therefore support most people are better off. Sure, it's not organic if its forced but if you can manage it without it ever feeling forced (and that would be the trick) the result is the same.

Being productive and having support is not the be all end all of mental health but it is the often talked about solution that for many people has no viable solution. If we could create that solution it would be a win for the world.
 
cytokinestorm

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I was supposed to see someone about my depression etc. just the other day, but I cancelled the appointment because I know the people I'd have to see would just be a bunch of thick, judgemental, ignorant Karens who'd patronise me and run rings round me.

You need intelligent, emotionally sensitive people to work in mental health care, not the rubbish I've had the misfortune to meet in my time.
 
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LittleJem

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Lifeiskillingme said:
I went to the psych ward after a man assaulted me while I was sleeping... I woke up feeling him on top of me feeling like I was dying.... the psychiatrist told me it was my fault I got raped. So supportive.

That is horrific. And untrue. I am so sorry.
 
Slothrop

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Daisy said:
developed countries like to send humanitarian aid to people who are starving in poor countries. I think that poor countries need to send volunteers to developed countries to teach them about human connection since poorer countries tend to have the happiest, humblest, most mentally healthy, resilient individuals (despite their circumstances). I know this sounds like a joke to almost everyone but I'm serious. I think capitalism, greed and individualism are eating the West alive and they need help asap.

the west (the materialistic side of the world) needs to form a strong bond/relationship with the unmaterialistic side of the world for balance to be reestablished on both sides.
You don't have idea what an undeveloped country is, they are often like developed countries in personality but more criminal,savage and primitive (Poverty is one the greatest factor to contribute at mental disorder).
Since I was born in an undeveloped country.I may say people doesn't give a damn thing about you, they may assault like is a everyday thing or even like you paying an informal taxes to some non-governmental institution of criminal people.
I heard stories about people homeless commiting self-mutilation to look more pity and just that to compete in begging more money against other homeless people. And people laughing of them who just passing in streets.
Theres a great variety of people in the world, but that doesn't mean for belonging in undeveloped country make you happy or healthy.
Materialistic-Unmaterialistic side is false dichotomy, and individualism is one of factor you should use to survive.
 
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LittleJem

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Lifeiskillingme said:
I think it’s true now

The psychiatrists can be the worst people. Like I had a terrible therapist who was mean to me, and my ex told me which is true that often the reason people become therapists (or psychiatrists) is because they themselves have big issues.

It is never your fault if someone violates you. It is entirely on them.
 
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whitefeather

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Marquis said:
In our society, I believe there needs to be more conversation about mental health. It is obvious that our current mental health system fails everyone it touches and it shows. Those with mental illness or problems are often looked down upon, treated as outcasts, or even excluded from society entirely. Not only that, but the current "solutions" are obviously not working. Therapy is a joke in general, although it does help some. Psychiatrists only seek to medicate you so you can "feel" better. None of these things is treating the underlying problems, only the symptoms. Modern medicine is set up only to treat the symptoms, not address the underlying problems. This is what I believe is the crux of the problem: Too many medical professionals just simply don't care about the people that they treat, in my opinion. You can't talk about these problems with close friends or family, or you'll be labelled "crazy" and treated poorly for it. There is a stigma associated with talking about mental illness in general and even more of a stigma associated with talking about suicide. This community exists to let people talk about these things judgement-free and anonymously.

I want to open up a wider conversation about how we can improve the failed mental health system because the current approach isn't working.

What do you think could be done?
 
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mini_weeny

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Moldbug said:
You don't have idea what an undeveloped country is, they are often like developed countries in personality but more criminal,savage and primitive (Poverty is one the greatest factor to contribute at mental disorder).
Since I was born in an undeveloped country.I may say people doesn't give a damn thing about you, they may assault like is a everyday thing or even like you paying an informal taxes to some non-governmental institution of criminal people.
I heard stories about people homeless commiting self-mutilation to look more pity and just that to compete in begging more money against other homeless people. And people laughing of them who just passing in streets.
Theres a great variety of people in the world, but that doesn't mean for belonging in undeveloped country make you happy or healthy.
Materialistic-Unmaterialistic side is false dichotomy, and individualism is one of factor you should use to survive.
So true, it’s totally a myth that ppl In 3rd world countries are happier. Pple in these countries are mostly undomesticated and very you can actually see the worst of human nature there. Pure hell. I wish we could all live like the Swiss. Not that pple there are to blame since no one is to blame for the fucking country they were born in, civilization comes with education so that is why these countries are a mess of poverty and misery. Lots of suffering.
 
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