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ge0rge

ge0rge

the satanic mechanic
Jul 29, 2018
546
i find the "you don't remember anything from before you were born" argument kind of silly. i don't remember what i did 3 years ago, and my early childhood is a mystery to me. i don't remember being born, for one. but i surely have to have been born. what's finite human memory compared to what might have happened before?
 
FuneralCry

FuneralCry

She dreams of eternal sleep
Sep 24, 2020
16,696
I know *raises eyebrows*. There was absolutely no bullying. The accusation is absurd. Unless "bullying" is now synonymous with "disagreement".

Trying to suppress and demonise opposing views is oppressive and disrespectful. I'm disappointed but sadly not surprised that this attitude is tolerated on the forum.
This is nonsense. Do you really all having nothing better to do than this. It’s ridiculous how on this forum people find it offensive that others want to die and see death as being a positive thing. Like no one is forced to die, suicide is a personal decision. And that user you idolise is clearly a nasty, malicious person that has no empathy for suicidal people, you can see that through loads of their posts. It’s clear they like drama and attention being drawn to them, I’ve seen many of their posts before.

Like I’m sorry that people with cancer suffer, they should have the option of assisted suicide, but some people on the forum actually want to die and struggle to do so. If people have a problem with others wishing for death and suicidal people venting then they should just go elsewhere. It’s a suicide forum after all and that is basically the point of this site. And that user has mocked other people’s posting styles in the past just to get laugh reactions from others. The 2 times they did it they received many laugh reactions. Ever since I saw that I knew that they are a troll. The fact is that a lot of people on this forum are quite sensitive, if people insult me then I don’t care, people have done this loads before and acted all threatening and things like that but I don’t want others to be made to feel worse.

Maybe people should just be kinder to others, I always am, and I try to be very respectful. I have a lot of sympathy for people who wished they could live but are basically forced to ctb, even if I don’t relate to them. I respect that others have different life experiences. The truth is that your favourite user comes across as very aggressive in their comments, so no wonder they have caused problems on the forum in the past.

This type of thing is why it’s tiring to come on here these days. This forum is becoming just like everywhere else in the world full of the same things that makes me want to ctb in the first place. This is part of why I want the option of legalised peaceful suicide, so that those who want to die can just go without having to research methods on this forum. Everything in life is tiring to me, and it’s quite unbelievable that having negative life views are controversial on a suicide forum. I personally believe that leaving this world is a beautiful thing and I’m not ignorant for believing so.
But I wish you the best.

And also, I’m never going to believe in anyones afterlife theories on here, I respect that others believe different things, but I take comfort in the thought of nothingness.
 
Chinaski

Chinaski

Arthur Scargill appreciator
Sep 1, 2018
2,874
And that user you idolise is clearly a nasty, malicious person that has no empathy for suicidal people, you can see that through loads of their posts. It’s clear they like drama and attention being drawn to them, I’ve seen many of their posts before.

And that user has mocked other people’s posting styles in the past just to get laugh reactions from others. The 2 times they did it they received many laugh reactions. Ever since I saw that I knew that they are a troll.

The truth is that your favourite user comes across as very aggressive in their comments, so no wonder they have caused problems on the forum in the past.
Okay now you should perhaps say the name of the person you are referring to in much of this post, and jsyk this could be construed as bullying which you proclaim to despise
 
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foxdieΩ

foxdieΩ

Arcanist
Sep 16, 2021
496
This is nonsense. Do you really all having nothing better to do than this.

This is disrespectful. You have 16, 307 posts. Do you have any self awareness? Clearly none of us have better things to do, we have something in common.

It’s ridiculous how on this forum people find it offensive that others want to die and see death as being a positive thing.

That is not what anyone had a problem with.

Like I’m sorry that people with cancer suffer, they should have the option of assisted suicide, but some people on the forum actually want to die and struggle to do so.

Bruh...

If people have a problem with others wishing for death and suicidal people venting then they should just go elsewhere.

No one has a problem with suicidal people venting.

It’s a suicide forum after all and that is basically the point of this site. And that user has mocked other people’s posting styles in the past just to get laugh reactions from others. The 2 times they did it they received many laugh reactions. Ever since I saw that I knew that they are a troll. The fact is that a lot of people on this forum are quite sensitive, if people insult me then I don’t care, people have done this loads before and acted all threatening and things like that but I don’t want others to be made to feel worse.

I'm not on here enough because I have no clue what you're talking about. Care to elaborate?

Maybe people should just be kinder to others

I agree

, I always am

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, and I try to be very respectful.

This is a noble pursuit.

it’s quite unbelievable that having negative life views are controversial on a suicide forum.

It is quite unbelievable that you actually believe this.

And also, I’m never going to believe in anyones afterlife theories on here, I respect that others believe different things, but I take comfort in the thought of nothingness.

What theory?
 
Rounded Apathy

Rounded Apathy

Longing to return to stardust
Aug 8, 2022
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I can't quote the post @Chinaski just made because it is solely composed of quotes, but I think it pretty definitely settles this and any other related future threads. Just...wow.

*Edit: here's a hard copy in case anyone doubts the veracity of that unbelievable self-contradiction:

Lolwuwt
 
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Doom

Doom

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Nov 21, 2022
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You don't actually know that, you believe that death means eternal sleep but you don’t know. It's like a Christian that believes that they go to heaven when they die. It's just a consolation you keep telling yourself but behind every belief there is doubt. Death can easily lead to another birth and you will remain exactly the same…

true, but there is much more evidence that there is nothing after death. As far as we know, all our mental processes are just chemical reactions in our brain, you change something in our brain, consciousness changes too( thats why drugs and brain damage completely alter one's perception). If consciousness were projected beyond the brain, then this shouldn't happen, but the fact that all of our perception requires a minimally functional brain (including NDE's), is strong evidence that there is nothing beyond here.
It is not, l mean I'm literally sitting here watching a loved one die, and this is nonsense. Death is often gruelling, ignominious, ugly and brutal. This romanticism is pig ignorant.

I think death feels much more brutal from the perspective of the beholder than the one experiencing it. Even people who die in gorish accidents typically experience agony for a few minutes at most before losing consciousness, living on the other hand will cause far more pain in the long run than most deaths.
 
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Ligottian

Mage
Dec 19, 2021
539
Do you remember being born? no you have been told you were born on such a day, it is news to you. your birth was unconscious and whatsoever happens during unconsciousness does not remain in the memory. Birth and death both happen in unconsciousness. Nothing in existence can be created and nothing can be destroyed and there is no certainty that your consciousness dies with the brain, that is a massive leap of faith.
Which consciousness might survive? The one we had when we took our first breath? The one we have at the moment of our death? Somewhere in between?
 
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BipolarExpress

BipolarExpress

he/him · tired/exhausted
Nov 11, 2022
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true, but there is much more evidence that there is nothing after death. As far as we know, all our mental processes are just chemical reactions in our brain, you change something in our brain, consciousness changes too( thats why drugs and brain damage completely alter one's perception). If consciousness were projected beyond the brain, then this shouldn't happen, but the fact that all of our perception requires a minimally functional brain (including NDE's), is strong evidence that there is nothing beyond here.


I think death feels much more brutal from the perspective of the beholder than the one experiencing it. Even people who die in gorish accidents typically experience agony for a few minutes at most before losing consciousness, living on the other hand will cause far more pain in the long run than most deaths.
Don't forget dementia, which can also change your personality dramatically.
 
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Chinaski

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I think death feels much more brutal from the perspective of the beholder than the one experiencing it. Even people who die in gorish accidents typically experience agony for a few minutes at most before losing consciousness, living on the other hand will cause far more pain in the long run than most deaths.
The point l made was that death is not "beautiful", and this is still not a "beautiful" death you're describing - in fact, you're describing a gorish accident with accompanying agonies, not a whimsical, romantic release.
 
Doom

Doom

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Nov 21, 2022
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The point l made was that death is not "beautiful", and this is still not a "beautiful" death you're describing - in fact, you're describing a gorish accident with accompanying agonies, not a whimsical, romantic release.

it's not "beatiful" at all, but it shouldn't be horrible like you make it out to be. if by "ugly" you mean "suffering", then living is even uglier.
 
StrangeandDeath

StrangeandDeath

Exhausted Human
Oct 12, 2022
78
The point l made was that death is not "beautiful", and this is still not a "beautiful" death you're describing - in fact, you're describing a gorish accident with accompanying agonies, not a whimsical, romantic release.
Like I have said before, she obviously meant beautiful as in the state of inexistence, not the process. If you look at many of her posts, she's quite clear on the fact that death can be quite gruesome
 
Doom

Doom

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Nov 21, 2022
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In that case why does everybody cling to the notion of the "peaceful pill" when one could simply experience a beautiful, blissful release by launching themselves into traffic
logically speaking you are right and "peaceful pill" is irrelevant, but people don't just act logically, they are mostly driven by feelings (which are irrational) and one of those feelings is fear.
 
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eldiablo666

Evil Always Prevail
Sep 25, 2022
331
I disagree, I do not think having peaceful suicide on demand would solve anything, let alone everything. There is no truth in this.

The fact that you see only suffering in life does not make this an objective fact. This is such a dogmatic worldview. You have no idea what happens when we die. You have no idea what the true scope of life even is. It's an absurd assertion. You speak with the conviction and certainty of a prophet.

The worst lies are the ones we tell ourselves. It's an important truth I've learned (and am still learning) in my life.
We are bacteria on the face of the earth and that’s it. Life is nothing more than pointless and meaningless suffering.
 
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eldiablo666

Evil Always Prevail
Sep 25, 2022
331
get therapy and perhaps a social life. life is wasted on the living...
It seems like your response was meant for another poster? I can’t see any relation whatsoever from your response to my comment.

I just really wanna make sure you’ve got your glasses on; if you know what I mean ;)
Respectfully.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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true, but there is much more evidence that there is nothing after death. As far as we know, all our mental processes are just chemical reactions in our brain, you change something in our brain, consciousness changes too( thats why drugs and brain damage completely alter one's perception). If consciousness were projected beyond the brain, then this shouldn't happen, but the fact that all of our perception requires a minimally functional brain (including NDE's), is strong evidence that there is nothing beyond here.


I think death feels much more brutal from the perspective of the beholder than the one experiencing it. Even people who die in gorish accidents typically experience agony for a few minutes at most before losing consciousness, living on the other hand will cause far more pain in the long run than most deaths.
Hi Doom. Yes, I hope you're right- I'm actually on the fence between the whole God/ non God, afterlife/ nothing idea. I'd actually much rather believe there is nothing for all the reasons you have just given. Kind of weird though- I don't remember posting in this thread... Do you remember which thread I said this and what it was in response to please?
 
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bluem00n

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Sep 10, 2022
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get therapy and perhaps a social life. life is wasted on the living...
Hmm, that comes across as a somewhat snide remark ...

I'd challenge you to irrefutably demonstrate that life consists of anything more than solitary expressions of genetic code whose only goal is to acquire nutrients (often by inflicting immense fear and pain on other expressions of genetic code), for the sole purpose of surviving long enough to possibly be given the opportunity to propagate its DNA. As such, multi-cellular life is in essence no different from single-celled bacteria.

It's not complicated - that is indeed the whole package right there - anything more elaborate is mere delusional aspirations of the anxiety-ridden linguistic mind, and that only emerged over the last 200,000 years, just a spark in time relative to the entire history of life on this planet.

As such, "We are bacteria on the face of the earth and that's it. Life is nothing more than pointless and meaningless suffering" is a fair appraisal, both succinct and self-evidently accurate.

Still, maybe you could add something new, something that would likewise be irrefutably correct across the entire spectrum of life, that further describes what is after all just a product / phenomenon of random biochemical processes.
 
makethepainstop

makethepainstop

Enlightened
Sep 16, 2022
1,919
If suicide were to be peaceful. I would not even grieve my suffering and show no resentment or blame or present any excuses. I will just admit that I' m unlucky and not fit for this game, and just end it.
Me too, oh God, me too! Why can't we have an easy, painless, quick, and fool proof way out? I don't want to hurt anyone, I just want to go. Please God, can I go now huh, pleassssse?
 
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Gustav Hartmann

Gustav Hartmann

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Aug 28, 2021
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This is the truth, the fact is that a peaceful suicide would solve everything in life and it would be the best outcome possible to pass away peacefully and be permanently free from this existence without having the ability to suffer and struggle in any way. Death is really the only solution when life itself is the problem. The existence of life is the real horrific thing, the fact that life continues to be brought here is so disturbing and tragic where suffering will inevitably be experienced. The fact that life exists is a cruel mistake and it’s wrong to value life in any way. Humans place so much value on insignificant life which exists only to die and be forgotten about. And these false beliefs prevent others from achieving true peace which can only be achieved by leaving this world.

Life is just a pointless struggle all for no purpose that leads nowhere, such an useless concept and the idea that life could be worth enduring is centred around lies. Humans exist just to eventually deteriorate and pain is guaranteed in this process, unnecessary pain that never should be experienced and serves no purpose other than to torment beings. Only death is the true relief, where in non existence we lack the awareness that we are dead. There is simply nothing for all eternity and the non existent have no need for anything. To die solves all problems and is preferable to any kind of life, as the existence of life leads to an unlimited amount of problems which continue to be experienced as long as life exists. Everything in life is viewed as a problem to me in some way, it’s a problem that I’m still breathing and are trapped here.

Having the option of a peaceful death right there prevents unnecessary struggles and fears such as the method potentially failing and pain experienced during the dying process. There would be no need for complicated suicide research and there would be no need for suicide forums to even exist, as even this suicide forum is often no different to anywhere else in this world, not even offering relief from hostile pro lifers who aim to invalidate and dismiss suffering, just contributing to the initial problem. There would be no need for any discussions about this if our peaceful death was right there for us, all those who wish to go could just die and free themselves from an existence not worth enduring and preventing decades of torment. To die really is a beautiful thing and suicide should be accepted and seen for what it really is, the ideal solution to end whatever problems this life has burdened us with.

Of course you express only your very own feelings and opinion, this is normal and everybody can only do this but your words would sound less disturbing if you would replace the word life by my life. The broad majority of human beeings feel diffent about life even in this forum. I could write that I am sorry that you are not able to enjoy your life but I have to admit that I envy you a little for that. The targedy for most humans is that they want to live and have to die. So if you love the inevitable is something like a grace.

Why has dying to be peacful? Isn´t it more important that your death is fast, painless and 100% guaranteed? If you blow your head away with a shoutgun or if you atomise yourself with explosives you would meet this requirements but it would be the opposite of peacful. Recently I was anesthetised in hospital and I guess this is what you call a peacful method. Belive me, I passed out as quick and unespexted as I did when I was hanged.
 
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rationaltake

rationaltake

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Maybe people should just be kinder to others, I always am, and I try to be very respectful.
Earlier on in the same post.
And that user you idolise is clearly a nasty, malicious person that has no empathy for suicidal people, you can see that through loads of their posts. It’s clear they like drama and attention being drawn to them, I’ve seen many of their posts before.
You still haven't named the user or given any examples of their posts.

Making accusations without evidence is bullying.
 
FuneralCry

FuneralCry

She dreams of eternal sleep
Sep 24, 2020
16,696
It’s best for me to take no notice of all the hostility, I guess it’s just the way that people are, nowhere in this world offers relief from the cruelty of people and the fact is that this website will never be a ‘safe space’, and people should be aware of this. After all, others opinions don’t matter to me, they could never understand in any way, and screenshotting people’s posts is literally what Fixthe26 do to make others look bad, those that do that are literally no different to them, but it doesn’t surprise me unfortunately people doing that on here. All of this just makes the thought of death even more comforting to me.

What theory?
The main one that people mention is reincarnation, and to me it’s all fictional, of course people can believe in it all they want and it certainly sounds horrifying the thought of any kind of life after this, but I strongly believe that when we die we cease to exist.
Like I have said before, she obviously meant beautiful as in the state of inexistence, not the process. If you look at many of her posts, she's quite clear on the fact that death can be quite gruesome
Yes, that is what I meant. I’ve literally made so many posts on how death is comforting, that’s clearly what the post is about. To die is a beautiful thing as it permanently ends all problems and suffering, there is nothing more ideal than this to me. There is simply no benefit to continuing to endure this existence and there never could be. Nobody’s denying the fact that going through the process of dying can potentially be awful, but being trapped in this world will always be the worst thing.
has dying to be peacful? Isn´t it more important that your death is fast, painless and 100% guaranteed? If you blow your head away with a shoutgun or if you atomise yourself with explosives you would meet this requirements but it would be the opposite of peacful
I understand this, and it makes a lot of sense, but the problem is that planning suicide potentially comes with a lot of complications, and there’s no really ideal easily accessible method that exists. There’s no access to the gun method in the UK, so that’s not an option for many people. But even if I had one I would fear it somehow going wrong, even know it’s a fatal method I did read about the failed shotgun suicide on here. The methods available depend on where the person lives. But I do think that only those who are very lucky die a peaceful death and I envy them.
 
whatevs

whatevs

Mining for copium in the weirdest places.
Jan 15, 2022
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I've taken a much more pragmatic approach to this conundrum since roughly a year, and I shall improvise now an acronym for it: TPITP. The Proof Is In The Pudding. Instead of trying to proclaim truth from faulty subjectivity, regardless of our resolute mortalism or our coveting of health and wealth, we ascend and take notes from the COLLECTIVE, from the masses, those dynamic microbes swirling in the chessboard of late-stage-capitalism, enamoured with life.

On one hand, we can see that life is: hunger, lust, thirst, envy, a contest for resources and attention, a pitiless stream of needs that in most cases are satiated only in part, and that when satiated fully give way to boredom, and when not satiated enough cause massive suffering. This is what Arthur Schopenhauer wrote, and is also true.

On the other, if we apply a closer look to the individuals, we find them largely engrossed with and protective of this state? Why is this? How can they love their misery? But oh, can't we see? These people are not just miserable. They're joyful. They're excited. They're comfortable. They're hopeful. They're deluded. They're physically healthy and just take the basic pleasures that life offers, which are enormous. They're many things, including miserable, including trapped.

So what is life? A mistake? A prison? Something decidedly delightful that is otherwise fragile and sometimes is snatched from our hands by an enemical breeze? It is all of those things. Life is Love, or Eros. It is not 'falling in love' for nothing. Eros is the creative principle, the Life Drive of Freud, the Will to Exist of Schopenhauer. Romance, Eros, is a delighful folly, a pleasurable wound. We exist in that folly/not folly, those that choose to exist, we exist in the ongoing dramatic saga of WANTING, of propelling forward, of marching towards our goals.

The Death Drive, that Will to Dissolve is as respectable and real as Eros. It is that need for rest that overcomes us at night, or after a long shift at work, or after a strenous relationship with someone, and certainly when nothing in our life is giving us pleasure, hope or comfort.

So going back to a pragmatic way of solving the riddle, let's apply TPITP. Do most people want to die? No, they want the opposite. Can you argue then that for everyone, in all cases, death is preferable? No, this is lunacy. We have seen how the collective is formed by people that enjoy and covet existence, are we going to call their happiness delusion, an act? I prefer to be objective here and call it a bittersweet addiction, a fever dream, that by popular vote seems to be better than nothing.
 
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Iamchickenhat

Iamchickenhat

I have no title.
Dec 17, 2021
261
I was
Do you remember being born? no you have been told you were born on such a day, it is news to you. your birth was unconscious and whatsoever happens during unconsciousness does not remain in the memory. Birth and death both happen in unconsciousness. Nothing in existence can be created and nothing can be destroyed and there is no certainty that your consciousness dies with the brain, that is a massive leap of faith.
Right there with you until you brought in the idea of nonexistence is a leap of faith. That's actually supported by science. No one has ever been able to weigh a soul. No one has seen any sudden flash of energy converting to anything else. We just stop living. Faith in something beyond that is required by religion. It is only religion that gives you some ideas that anything continues after you stop functioning.
 
9BBN

9BBN

Heaven, send Hell away
Mar 29, 2021
377
This is the truth, the fact is that a peaceful suicide would solve everything in life
And the truth is that to die is a beautiful thing.
any positive views towards life certainly are a delusion
she doesn't set her own opinion as the absolute truth when it comes to your decisons.
Rain, are you seriously going to double-down and say FC is not setting her own opinion as absolute truth? Is this the precedent you're willing to set?

it’s quite unbelievable that having negative life views are controversial on a suicide forum. I personally believe that leaving this world is a beautiful thing and I’m not ignorant for believing so.
This is gaslighting. You can't say things like "this is the truth" and then pretend you were just opining. The only thing that's controversial is the way you consistently set your own opinion as the absolute truth and then downplay it as "just hating life."