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HopelessFight

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Jan 31, 2021
742
I believe you are innocent unless proven guilty.

It is perfectly reasonable to assume you acted in good faith and shared a PPeH containing a scammer's e-mail without you realizing it.

Look, what these scammers do is they take the legit PPeH and change only one or a few letters in the section about where to find N on the internet. The rest of the book is untouched, making it look genuine. Actually, the PPeH explicitely gives a warning about this in the book.

I do know, based on what I saw, this specific scammer is:
1) Watching these forums, as he originally replaced a fake PPeH with a real one, right at the moment we were discussing this issue a few weeks ago.
2) Operating under multiple e-mail addresses (Protonmail, Tutanota,...), but the pattern is always the same in this case: an "a" is replaced with an "e".
3) Earned a minimum of about $5k in January alone, based on one bitcoin address I have of him. Since they constantly change bitcoin addresses it's impossible to know how much he/they really earned, but I assume it will be a LOT more than just this $5k.

I think the lesson learnt is that, from now on, only PPeH's who have been downloaded from Exit and uploaded by trusted users should be listed. Currently, only @RainAndSadness's uploaded version seems to fit this criteria. All others should be removed from the Wiki ASAP, which Rain is already working on.

In addition, I believe that, in the resources topic, there should be an explicit mention that the PPeH being listed there is uploaded by a trusted forum moderator, warning users no other sources should be used if they are looking for sources regarding N.

These scammers are smart and are proficient in certain IT skills. They are watching these forums and are laughing their asses off about the drama around this and legitimate users accusing each other of being lyers and scammers. Once alll their fake versions have been removed from the Wiki, they'll earn less money and will probably start to look for new ways tricking users on this forum. There are a few technical measures that can be taken (digital signatures, hashes), but this will not help all users. Reality is, there will always be some users getting scammed, but what can be done is to make it as hard as possible for the scammers to operate.

I think the moderator team should have a thoroughly discussion about all of this. Your version has been listed in the resources thread for several months (I assume you're the one who originally uploaded the 2018 one, but replaced it later with a 2020 one?), who knows how many people fell for it. Not even mentioning the Wiki, which contains other links leading to fake PPeH editions.
 
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DetachedDreamer97

DetachedDreamer97

Enlightened
Mar 17, 2018
1,275
I believe you are innocent unless proven guilty.

It is perfectly reasonable to assume you acted in good faith and shared a PPeH containing a scammer's e-mail without you realizing it.

Look, what these scammers do is they take the legit PPeH and change only one or a few letters in the section about where to find N on the internet. The rest of the book is untouched, making it look genuine. Actually, the PPeH explicitely gives a warning about this in the book.

I do know, based on what I saw, this specific scammer is:
1) Watching these forums, as he originally replaced a fake PPeH with a real one, right at the moment we were discussing this issue a few weeks ago.
2) Operating under multiple e-mail addresses (Protonmail, Tutanota,...), but the pattern is always the same in this case: an "a" is replaced with an "e".
3) Earned a minimum of about $5k in January alone, based on one bitcoin address I have of him. Since they constantly change bitcoin addresses it's impossible to know how much he/they really earned, but I assume it will be a LOT more than just this $5k.

I think the lesson learnt is that, from now on, only PPeH's who have been downloaded from Exit and uploaded by trusted users should be listed. Currently, only @RainAndSadness's uploaded version seems to fit this criteria. All others should be removed from the Wiki ASAP, which Rain is already working on.

In addition, I believe that, in the resources topic, there should be an explicit mention that the PPeH being listed there is uploaded by a trusted forum moderator, warning users no other sources should be used if they are looking for sources regarding N.

These scammers are smart and are proficient in certain IT skills. They are watching these forums and are laughing their asses off about the drama around this and legitimate users accusing each other of being lyers and scammers. Once alll their fake versions have been removed from the Wiki, they'll earn less money and will probably start to look for new ways tricking users on this forum. There are a few technical measures that can be taken (digital signatures, hashes), but this will not help all users. Reality is, there will always be some users getting scammed, but what can be done is to make it as hard as possible for the scammers to operate.

I think the moderator team should have a thoroughly discussion about all of this. Your version has been listed in the resources thread for several months (I assume you're the one who originally uploaded the 2018 one, but replaced it later with a 2020 one?), who knows how many people fell for it. Not even mentioning the Wiki, which contains other links leading to fake PPeH editions.
Thanks! I honestly did share in good faith. But I guess it’s better I just play to my own strength.

And yeah, that was me. Or sorta... I merely copied and saved it to my own drive folder. But yeah. I hope not many have been screwed honestly. And I’m genuinely sorry about that.
 
RainAndSadness

RainAndSadness

Administrator
Jun 12, 2018
1,730
I believe you when you say you downloaded it from the mega.nz account because this folder contains the fake PPH since September. You on the other hand uploaded the fake PPH on November. I'm still a bit suspicious but I hope you don't take it personally. I have to remain neutral when investigating such serious issues and people threw all kind of nonsense justifications at me in the past. People lost money. In order to prevent this, I'm gonna remove all fishy links from the suicide Wiki as soon as I have the necessary privileges to do so. But I can't stress it enough, use my Google drive folder to find the most recent PPH updates, which can be found in the suicide compilation thread. I'm gonna overhaul that page to make it easier to find my PPH in the first place. I really don't trust any other source anymore in that regards and I'm gonna take measures to stop this once and for all. I'm shocked how these scammers managed to smuggle their fake PPH so deep into the forum, even turning unknowing individuals into distributors of their scam. Once I'm done, none of this will happen anymore. As I said in the past, the integrity of the resources is a high priority of mine and I'm gonna clean all that mess up.
 
DetachedDreamer97

DetachedDreamer97

Enlightened
Mar 17, 2018
1,275
Understood... same time, I believe I uploaded it immediately after finding it. That said, yeah... I won’t do that again. I’m honestly shocked they’ve actually managed to do this.
 
Tkmiz_Tsukumizu

Tkmiz_Tsukumizu

Specialist
Feb 3, 2021
320
I'm gonna upload the most recent PPH edition very soon with the February and March updates. They contain a new chapter about lethal drug mixtures (as an alternative to N), which looks interesting if you have access to prescription drugs aka the darknet and a new gases chapter. It will take a while because copying the book is a lot of work but I'll let you know when it's done.
Great thank you!
 
RainAndSadness

RainAndSadness

Administrator
Jun 12, 2018
1,730
Alright, bad news. Google removed the PPH from my Google Drive folder due to a DMCA (copyright) violation. I guess someone reported my content to Google. I'll re-upload the files on a different platform immediately. Sorry for the inconvenience.

If any of you know a good platform to share the PPH, let me know.
 
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alown

alown

soon in the other reality where we come from ༄
Mar 13, 2021
297
Alright, bad news. Google removed the PPH from my Google Drive folder due to a DMCA (copyright) violation. I guess someone reported my content to Google. I'll re-upload the files on a different platform immediately. Sorry for the inconvenience.

If any of you know a good platform to share the PPH, let me know.
You should use mega

Mega.nz
 
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eternalmelancholy

eternalmelancholy

waiting for the bus
Mar 24, 2021
1,169
Is the PPH March 2021 legit? How do I know I have the right email?

The admins should upload the real handbook and not let random people upload their own versions.
 
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whatintheworld365

Member
Jul 15, 2021
54
Sooo is the mega.nz file of the March 2021 PPH not valid? I can’t open it as a google drive, it doesn’t give me that option.
 
RainAndSadness

RainAndSadness

Administrator
Jun 12, 2018
1,730
Sooo is the mega.nz file of the March 2021 PPH not valid? I can’t open it as a google drive, it doesn’t give me that option.

I had to reupload it into a mega folder because Google deleted it. This edition is legit.
 
RainAndSadness

RainAndSadness

Administrator
Jun 12, 2018
1,730
Can you send me the link please? Also, may I PM you to verify emails?


You can find the PPH here, just search with STRG+ F for PPH. And sure.
 
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whatintheworld365

Member
Jul 15, 2021
54

You can find the PPH here, just search with STRG+ F for PPH. And sure.
I’ve tried to PM you, are you getting them?
 
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thebigpigman

Member
Aug 28, 2021
57
Here's the story: RainAndSadness has no idea who actually owns the mega.nz account that is linked in the Wiki -> Resources section. I have asked him several times whose account it is, and he says that it is not his and he does not know. Whoever owns that mega.nz can upload whatever PDF file they want to that link, including one with a compromised email address.

Two days ago both DutchSuicidalPerson and I accessed the PPeH PDF linked in the Wiki -> Resources section (the one hosted on mega.nz) and found that it had the address of a scammer instead of A's real address. Several hours later, I redownloaded it and the email address was corrected. Both DutchSuicidalPerson and I verified that it now contained the correct address. I have still have the old PDF for reference, so I know it was not just my eyes. PDFs do not just magically fix themselves.

I've been trying to investigate this issue for the past several days and RainAndSadness has been extremely rude to both DutchSuicidalPerson and I, accusing us of lying. I am just trying to investigate what happened, because I've already been scammed $600 because of an incorrect email address and I just want to ensure that no one else on this forum gets scammed.

Look, I don't want to start drama, but I feel forced to post this reply because of the extreme rudeness of RainAndSadness toward us, and because we still do not know who owns the mega.nz account linked in the Wiki -> Resources section. Until further investigation, do NOT trust the PPeH PDF hosted at mega.nz. We do not know whose account this is.

EDIT: It looks like someone updated the mega.nz link to the Google Drive link. Thank you. Use the updated Google Drive link, not the mega.nz link. We cannot trust the mega.nz link.

EDIT2: I believe that I can replicate exactly what the scammer did. You can move files to and from hidden folders on mega.nz without affecting the File Added or File Modified dates. A scammer could easily have GoodPDF and BadPDF copies available in hidden folders and replace them in the "Peaceful Pill" folder without changing the name or File Added or File Modification dates. This makes the file attributes argument a moot point. These are the dates that the COPY was added or modified, not when the files were swabbed.
I downloaded peaceful pill handbook 2020 from z library 1lib
 
callme

callme

I'm a loose cannon - I bang all the time.
Aug 15, 2021
1,141
Don't trust the official source, can't download from the resources section because it's outdated. Then how does one get the PPH dif they aren't over 50 and ill enough?

I know file-sharing websites where it's been uploaded, but those are easier to edit than ever so not to be trusted.
Besides, nobody knows who uploads or not, nobody knows who is innocent or not, enough with this tiring stuff. If somebody really cared about none of this happening, it wouldn't be happening.

For anybody worried about being scammed or in doubt before spending - fork them over and enjoy folks, you are on your own.

Either you win or lose, like in blackjack. Hope it really doesn't turn out like blackjack usually does.
 
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justsayin

justsayin

Member
Jan 30, 2021
494
Don't trust the official source, can't download from the resources section because it's outdated. Then how does one get the PPH dif they aren't over 50 and ill enough?

I know file-sharing websites where it's been uploaded, but those are easier to edit than ever so not to be trusted.
Besides, nobody knows who uploads or not, nobody knows who is innocent or not, enough with this tiring stuff. If somebody really cared about none of this happening, it wouldn't be happening.

For anybody worried about being scammed or in doubt before spending - fork them over and enjoy folks, you are on your own.

Either you win or lose, like in blackjack. Hope it really doesn't turn out like blackjack usually does.

Best you can do for free is PPH August Edition uploaded by a moderator in the Resource Compilation thread.

I have just tried it and, before allowing me to donwload PDF, anonfiles opened another tab that offered me downoad of a small ZIP archive with an EXE file in it. This is not uncommon when downloading pirated content, and I hope that forum members are smart enough not to infect themselves by clicking on random EXE files. Luckily it doesn't happen every time I click on the link, but it's worth mentioning that non-tech-savvy user should be cautious.

The PDF file itself looks fine to me, but I have no way of verifying its authenticity. Moderator posting checksum on the forum could help with this a bit.
 
callme

callme

I'm a loose cannon - I bang all the time.
Aug 15, 2021
1,141
Thanks for the report. This is really annoying. I highly recommend to avoid the Wiki at this point. The link to a valid PHH copy has been updated in the resource compilation thread.

Why? Can the scammers post there?
 
justsayin

justsayin

Member
Jan 30, 2021
494
I have just tested the new link in the Resource Compilation thread. Works nice. No malware pop-ups, and the checksums match.
Backup links I've posted in the other thread are still functional.
I guess we can all get back to our normal lives. /s

Size: 144 MB (151.798.293 bytes)
MD5: F74795FC5FF89A062BD2F14AD8191386
SHA-1: 712BB87E05B8AC166B434AE13ED4109976579087
 
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dmoon

Experienced
Nov 23, 2021
266
Can we trust the link provided in the Resource Compilation? Is it possible that hackers put some scammed copy of the book with the wrong email address to D?
 
RainAndSadness

RainAndSadness

Administrator
Jun 12, 2018
1,730
Can we trust the link provided in the Resource Compilation? Is it possible that hackers put some scammed copy of the book with the wrong email address to D?

Yeah, you can trust it. I vouch for all links in the resources compilation, that includes the PPH edition that's added to the thread. Only moderators can add and remove files, which adds an additional layer of security. Also this particular PPH file in cyberdrop has an individual link, changing the file would generate a new link. So there is no way somebody can change the file without anyone noticing.
 
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member1

Member
Feb 21, 2022
6
About Russian euthanasia groups at https://vk.com Do not look for help in these thieving communities, their task is simply to rob you. Those in need, only themselves, can help themselves.
 
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Theanswer

Experienced
Jun 26, 2022
266
I'm new to the site and trying to message RainAndSadness or admin or moderator but says I don't have permission to do this. I can't message anyone, actually. Seems like I also don't access to a lot of helpful posts/categories, either. Could someone please help me with this? I want to DM RainAndSadness or admin to make sure I have D's correct email address which I got from the PPeH Nov 2021 downloaded from here. Thanks.
 
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rationaltake

Enlightened
Sep 28, 2021
1,858
I'm new to the site and trying to message RainAndSadness or admin or moderator but says I don't have permission to do this. I can't message anyone, actually. Seems like I also don't access to a lot of helpful posts/categories, either. Could someone please help me with this? I want to DM RainAndSadness or admin to make sure I have D's correct email address which I got from the PPeH Nov 2021 downloaded from here. Thanks.
I think you have to make a certain number of posts before certain functions are available to you.

The latest PPeH on here is April 2022.
 
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Smart No More

Visionary
May 5, 2021
2,113
I think you have to make a certain number of posts before certain functions are available to you.

The latest PPeH on here is April 2022.
I'll second that. Also ther amount of time online plays into things. Generally interacting with the forum will unlock access to search function and pm's. I though you were able to pm admin from the start but maybe not.

The most recent available copy of the pph (pinned in the suicide discussion boards) is where you should get the address from. They're uploaded by @RainAndSadness and are therefore trustworthy.