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DetachedDreamer97

DetachedDreamer97

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I think I’m also gonna chime in. As I’ve also been accused of altering the email address. For a while, I had the 2020 version saved into my google drive, which I’ve originally got it from MEGA.nz. And it took me a while to know there was the 2021 version (which Rain uploaded), which I copied and saved into my google drive folder (which I’m also accused of altering the email address). The entire time, I thought the PDF I had of the 2020 version was with the real address, not to say... I looked at it, but allegedly, I had a fake handbook. I honestly did not know it was fake, and it wasn’t until earlier today that I was told that it was and that’s when accusations are being thrown at me. I hope I don’t get permabanned for something I wasn’t responsible for, I’ll admit, I did share the PDF, but like I said, I didn’t know there was an issue with it. And I’ll take responsibility of sending an outdated version, but as I’ve also said, I wasn’t aware of the new book until I was looking at a post. Now to those who doubt me, I suggest you take the time to ask yourself this: What reason would I have to alter the email address? What would I have to gain from it? Do I look like I am clever enough to pull this off? My specialty is chemicals and plant poisons, not this!!! The main reason I download the handbook is mainly to take notes of certain methods to improvise with what I have, not to scam people! Hell, for the March 2020 edition, I saved it to look into the overhyped Korean method, which turned out to be an advanced form of ligature strangulation!

Now as evidence, I’ll provide these two links of the 2020 version.
This is the link to the file I have.

And the next will he from the MEGA link.
Based on what I see, they’re the fucking same email address. And I compared it side by sie with screenshots. Got that? They’re identical!!! Take the time to check the details of each file the date and time in which they’re uploaded, to all the pigheaded brainlets out there who insist on calling me a liar. ANY QUESTIONS??‽
Sorry for the language, I’m just really fucking annoyed. And god dammit! I have a right to be.

Sorry for the language, I’m just really fucking annoyed. And god dammit! I have a right to be.

*edit: I got so caught up in my rant that I forgot about the rule of not sharing images of the email. So, I deleted them. But links are still there to compare
 
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DutchSuicidalPerson

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I believe you are innocent unless proven guilty.

It is perfectly reasonable to assume you acted in good faith and shared a PPeH containing a scammer's e-mail without you realizing it.

Look, what these scammers do is they take the legit PPeH and change only one or a few letters in the section about where to find N on the internet. The rest of the book is untouched, making it look genuine. Actually, the PPeH explicitely gives a warning about this in the book.

I do know, based on what I saw, this specific scammer is:
1) Watching these forums, as he originally replaced a fake PPeH with a real one, right at the moment we were discussing this issue a few weeks ago.
2) Operating under multiple e-mail addresses (Protonmail, Tutanota,...), but the pattern is always the same in this case: an "a" is replaced with an "e".
3) Earned a minimum of about $5k in January alone, based on one bitcoin address I have of him. Since they constantly change bitcoin addresses it's impossible to know how much he/they really earned, but I assume it will be a LOT more than just this $5k.

I think the lesson learnt is that, from now on, only PPeH's who have been downloaded from Exit and uploaded by trusted users should be listed. Currently, only @RainAndSadness's uploaded version seems to fit this criteria. All others should be removed from the Wiki ASAP, which Rain is already working on.

In addition, I believe that, in the resources topic, there should be an explicit mention that the PPeH being listed there is uploaded by a trusted forum moderator, warning users no other sources should be used if they are looking for sources regarding N.

These scammers are smart and are proficient in certain IT skills. They are watching these forums and are laughing their asses off about the drama around this and legitimate users accusing each other of being lyers and scammers. Once alll their fake versions have been removed from the Wiki, they'll earn less money and will probably start to look for new ways tricking users on this forum. There are a few technical measures that can be taken (digital signatures, hashes), but this will not help all users. Reality is, there will always be some users getting scammed, but what can be done is to make it as hard as possible for the scammers to operate.

I think the moderator team should have a thoroughly discussion about all of this. Your version has been listed in the resources thread for several months (I assume you're the one who originally uploaded the 2018 one, but replaced it later with a 2020 one?), who knows how many people fell for it. Not even mentioning the Wiki, which contains other links leading to fake PPeH editions.
 
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DetachedDreamer97

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DutchSuicidalPerson said:
I believe you are innocent unless proven guilty.

It is perfectly reasonable to assume you acted in good faith and shared a PPeH containing a scammer's e-mail without you realizing it.

Look, what these scammers do is they take the legit PPeH and change only one or a few letters in the section about where to find N on the internet. The rest of the book is untouched, making it look genuine. Actually, the PPeH explicitely gives a warning about this in the book.

I do know, based on what I saw, this specific scammer is:
1) Watching these forums, as he originally replaced a fake PPeH with a real one, right at the moment we were discussing this issue a few weeks ago.
2) Operating under multiple e-mail addresses (Protonmail, Tutanota,...), but the pattern is always the same in this case: an "a" is replaced with an "e".
3) Earned a minimum of about $5k in January alone, based on one bitcoin address I have of him. Since they constantly change bitcoin addresses it's impossible to know how much he/they really earned, but I assume it will be a LOT more than just this $5k.

I think the lesson learnt is that, from now on, only PPeH's who have been downloaded from Exit and uploaded by trusted users should be listed. Currently, only @RainAndSadness's uploaded version seems to fit this criteria. All others should be removed from the Wiki ASAP, which Rain is already working on.

In addition, I believe that, in the resources topic, there should be an explicit mention that the PPeH being listed there is uploaded by a trusted forum moderator, warning users no other sources should be used if they are looking for sources regarding N.

These scammers are smart and are proficient in certain IT skills. They are watching these forums and are laughing their asses off about the drama around this and legitimate users accusing each other of being lyers and scammers. Once alll their fake versions have been removed from the Wiki, they'll earn less money and will probably start to look for new ways tricking users on this forum. There are a few technical measures that can be taken (digital signatures, hashes), but this will not help all users. Reality is, there will always be some users getting scammed, but what can be done is to make it as hard as possible for the scammers to operate.

I think the moderator team should have a thoroughly discussion about all of this. Your version has been listed in the resources thread for several months (I assume you're the one who originally uploaded the 2018 one, but replaced it later with a 2020 one?), who knows how many people fell for it. Not even mentioning the Wiki, which contains other links leading to fake PPeH editions.
Thanks! I honestly did share in good faith. But I guess it’s better I just play to my own strength.

And yeah, that was me. Or sorta... I merely copied and saved it to my own drive folder. But yeah. I hope not many have been screwed honestly. And I’m genuinely sorry about that.
 
RainAndSadness

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I believe you when you say you downloaded it from the mega.nz account because this folder contains the fake PPH since September. You on the other hand uploaded the fake PPH on November. I'm still a bit suspicious but I hope you don't take it personally. I have to remain neutral when investigating such serious issues and people threw all kind of nonsense justifications at me in the past. People lost money. In order to prevent this, I'm gonna remove all fishy links from the suicide Wiki as soon as I have the necessary privileges to do so. But I can't stress it enough, use my Google drive folder to find the most recent PPH updates, which can be found in the suicide compilation thread. I'm gonna overhaul that page to make it easier to find my PPH in the first place. I really don't trust any other source anymore in that regards and I'm gonna take measures to stop this once and for all. I'm shocked how these scammers managed to smuggle their fake PPH so deep into the forum, even turning unknowing individuals into distributors of their scam. Once I'm done, none of this will happen anymore. As I said in the past, the integrity of the resources is a high priority of mine and I'm gonna clean all that mess up.
 
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Understood... same time, I believe I uploaded it immediately after finding it. That said, yeah... I won’t do that again. I’m honestly shocked they’ve actually managed to do this.
 
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RainAndSadness said:
I'm gonna upload the most recent PPH edition very soon with the February and March updates. They contain a new chapter about lethal drug mixtures (as an alternative to N), which looks interesting if you have access to prescription drugs aka the darknet and a new gases chapter. It will take a while because copying the book is a lot of work but I'll let you know when it's done.
Great thank you!
 
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Alright, bad news. Google removed the PPH from my Google Drive folder due to a DMCA (copyright) violation. I guess someone reported my content to Google. I'll re-upload the files on a different platform immediately. Sorry for the inconvenience.

If any of you know a good platform to share the PPH, let me know.
 
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RainAndSadness said:
Alright, bad news. Google removed the PPH from my Google Drive folder due to a DMCA (copyright) violation. I guess someone reported my content to Google. I'll re-upload the files on a different platform immediately. Sorry for the inconvenience.

If any of you know a good platform to share the PPH, let me know.
You should use mega

Mega.nz
 
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eternalmelancholy

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Is the PPH March 2021 legit? How do I know I have the right email?

The admins should upload the real handbook and not let random people upload their own versions.
 
RainAndSadness

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eternalmelancholy said:
Is the PPH March 2021 legit? How do I know I have the right email?

The admins should upload the real handbook and not let random people upload their own versions.

Uhm, I did upload the real handbook. :I
 
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