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Schopenhauer

Enlightened
Oct 3, 2018
1,136
Nope, no aliens. Life is probably too rare. See this proposed solution to Fermi's paradox.

The Fermi paradox is the conflict between an expectation of a high ex ante probability of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe and the apparently lifeless universe we in fact observe. The expectation that the universe should be teeming with intelligent life is linked to models like the Drake equation, which suggest that even if the probability of intelligent life developing at a given site is small, the sheer multitude of possible sites should nonetheless yield a large number of potentially observable civilizations. We show that this conflict arises from the use of Drake-like equations, which implicitly assume certainty regarding highly uncertain parameters. We examine these parameters, incorporating models of chemical and genetic transitions on paths to the origin of life, and show that extant scientific knowledge corresponds to uncertainties that span multiple orders of magnitude. This makes a stark difference. When the model is recast to represent realistic distributions of uncertainty, we find a substantial ex ante probability of there being no other intelligent life in our observable universe, and thus that there should be little surprise when we fail to detect any signs of it. This result dissolves the Fermi paradox, and in doing so removes any need to invoke speculative mechanisms by which civilizations would inevitably fail to have observable effects upon the universe.

(Emphasis is mine)

https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.02404
 
Angst Filled Fuck Up

Angst Filled Fuck Up

Super duper enlightened
Sep 9, 2018
1,680
I think there's life, but it may not be in the form we think. To imagine that there are humanoid beings with big almond shaped eyes that are "aliens" seems a bit typecast/naive. However, it is believed that for every grain of sand on planet Earth there are 10,000 stars, many with their own set of planets. With those odds, my money is on something, potentially many things, being out there.
 
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Schopenhauer

Enlightened
Oct 3, 2018
1,136
I think there's life, but it may not be in the form we think. To imagine that there are humanoid beings with big almond shaped eyes that are "aliens" seems a bit typecast/naive. However, it is believed that for every grain of sand on planet Earth there are 10,000 stars, many with their own set of planets. With those odds, my money is on something, potentially many things, being out there.

Do read the Fermi Paradox paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.02404

The odds against life are enormous, despite the humongous amount of stars out there.

Besides, if there was anything out there, where are the aliens? That’s the essence of the Fermi Paradox.

Addendum: for a fun alternative solution to the Paradox see
That is not dead which can eternal lie: the aestivation hypothesis for resolving Fermi's paradox.
 
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Angst Filled Fuck Up

Angst Filled Fuck Up

Super duper enlightened
Sep 9, 2018
1,680
Do read the Fermi Paradox paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.02404

The odds against life are enormous, despite the humongous amount of stars out there.

Besides, if there was anything out there, where are the aliens? That’s the essence of the Fermi Paradox.

Addendum: for a fun alternative solution to the Paradox see
That is not dead which can eternal lie: the aestivation hypothesis for resolving Fermi's paradox.

I have read it, I just don't endorse it. There's nothing to really say we haven't already been visited by intelligent life.
 
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crova

Making death amazing journey
Oct 7, 2018
377
Do read the Fermi Paradox paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.02404

The odds against life are enormous, despite the humongous amount of stars out there.

Besides, if there was anything out there, where are the aliens? That’s the essence of the Fermi Paradox.

Addendum: for a fun alternative solution to the Paradox see
That is not dead which can eternal lie: the aestivation hypothesis for resolving Fermi's paradox.
Where are aliens? They used to be frequent visitors/gods here and I believe still are...
They were depicted in ancient art and 'holy' books,
They built enormous structures thousands years ago and they taught us [some of us]
 
worldexploder

worldexploder

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Sep 19, 2018
2,823
David Icke is a pathological troll. Thoughout the years, he claimed
- A psychic told him that he was put here for a purpose and would receive messages from the spirit world
- Is the “Son of the Godhead”.
- The world is controlled by interdimentional reptilian overlords (the world is controlled by assholes and they are all human).
The list of his outlandish claims really have no end.

As for aliens, I adhere to the rare earth hypothesis. I seriously doubt if aliens had the technology to travel though galactic space, they would visit us in metallic saucers that could be brought down by a lightning bolt. We got aircraft that can withstand lightning.

I think biological life is a fluke - especially intelligent life. Even on a planet like Earth, only ONE species evolved to the point of being able to create the iPad I’m typing on. We almost became extinct many times.

There are over 100 billion galaxies in our observable universe; but that doesn’t necessarily mean that we aren’t alone. Only a very small presentage of galaxies can support life. Most have too much radiation or is too chaotic.

Our galaxy is very peculiar in a sense that it is so calm and not too radiation rich. Even our own galaxy has a “Goldilocks Zone” were life can form. Too close and radiation prevents life. Too far away and stars are too metal poor.

Of course this is going only by our understanding of biology on Earth. Until we do find life, we don’t have very much to go on. No good frame of reference. That being said, I hope to hell there isn’t life on other worlds. This one produces enough torture.
 
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samsays89

Student
Oct 4, 2018
139
If there are aliens, they see us like we view chimpanzees. Just like chimpanzees make war and cannibalize and brutalize each other, all we do is either imprison or document chimpanzees. If aliens exist they just watch us and take notes. If we as a race get to their level, I think it'll only be after a long time and many changes to our culture as humans.
 
worldexploder

worldexploder

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Sep 19, 2018
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If there are aliens, they see us like we view chimpanzees. Just like chimpanzees make war and cannibalize and brutalize each other, all we do is either imprison or document chimpanzees. If aliens exist they just watch us and take notes. If we as a race get to their level, I think it'll only be after a long time and many changes to our culture as humans.
I remember Michio Kaku saying that if aliens ever came to visit, they would probably see us like we see ants. So advanced that we wouldn’t even be able to comprehend them. Then again, you would think an alien species would be advanced enough to have technology to speak to us in a language that is familiar.