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Nien

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Jul 5, 2018
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Which one is more painful sodium azide or SN?
According to the PPH, SN is more peaceful with a rank of 7/10, azide slightly less so with a rank of 6/10 on peacefulness. Death is reached faster with sodium azide than with SN, though, so sodium azide may or may not be more painful to you depending on when you reach unconsciousness with either salt.
 
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According to the PPH, SN is more peaceful with a rank of 7/10, azide slightly less so with a rank of 6/10 on peacefulness. Death is reached faster with sodium azide than with SN, though, so sodium azide may or may not be more painful to you depending on when you reach unconsciousness with either salt.
I can't beleive that according to the pph, charcoal method is more peaceful than the SN or the azide. How do they calculate peacefulness.
 
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HannibalLector

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Jul 5, 2018
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I can't beleive that according to the pph, charcoal method is more peaceful than the SN or the azide. How do they calculate peacefulness.

Sodium azide and peacefulness

Scientific article: "Human Health Effects of Sodium Azide Exposure: A Literature Review and Analysis"
"...review of the literature from 1927 to 2002 on human exposure to sodium azide and its health effects."

"Onset of hypotension within
minutes or in less than an hour is indicative of a pharmacological response
and a benign course. Hypotension with late onset (>1 hour)
constitutes an ominous sign for death. All individuals with hypotension
for more than an hour died. Additional health effects included
mild complaints of nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, headache, dizziness,
temporary loss of vision, palpitation, dyspnea, or temporary
loss of consciousness or mental status decrease. More severe symptoms
and signs included marked decreased mental status, seizure,
coma, arrhythmia, tachypnea, pulmonary edema, metabolic acidosis,
and cardiorespiratory arrest."

Text inside article:
"More severe and fatal toxic effects had later onsets within a range
of an hour to several days. These effects included hypothermia,
seizure, coma, cardiac arrhythmia associated with electrocardiogram
(EKG) changes, chest pain, pulmonary edema, oliguria,
metabolic acidosis, and cardiopulmonary failure."

https://jhu.pure.elsevier.com/en/pu...f-sodium-azide-exposure-a-literature-review-4

My comments to above article
13 cases were suicides. They ingested from 1 gram to 55 grams. All 13 cases of suicide with sodium azide were fatal. I recommend read the entire article above. There are no antidote and the substance is for sure lethal. But it seems that time from ingestion to death and sodium azide in terms of peacefullness might not be as peacefull as Nitschke suggests. I beleave scientific literature more then Nitschke.


Another article: "[Sodium azide: a review of biological effects and case reports]."
"The smallest doses among fatal cases were 0.7-0.8 g for women and 1.2-2 g for men. All victims suffered from hypotension, tachycardia, hyperventilation, diaphoresis, vomiting, nausea, and diarrhea."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10191613
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10191613
Another article: "Three fatal sodium azide poisonings."
"A 38-year-old man intentionally ingested 2 tablespoonsful of sodium azide in water and developed seizures, coma, hypotension and fatal ventricular arrhythmias within 2 hours." "A 52-year-old male ingested 1.5 to 2g of sodium azide and survived for 40 hours."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2818717
 
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Arak

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Sep 21, 2018
1,176
Bringing up sodium azide again. If there is a larger thread dedicated to this substance: I couldn't find it.

Nitschzke (7): https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-2NX0jVOjCrOJycMsy3KLXHMSGL3MSnV

Mechanism: blocking the enzyme cytochrome c oxidaze.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12851150

I saw a description of 'suffucating cells' and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytochrome_c_oxidase

Nitschzke suggests that it works either quickly or it doesn't. I don't fully understand it, or when it doesn't work. Anyone ? A slow death with this drug must be very unpleasant.
 
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Arak

Enlightened
Sep 21, 2018
1,176
These azide threads are all over the place, unfortunately.
3527600418.mb2662822e0020.pdf (google?)

'Sodium azide is of very high acute toxicity. It can be taken up by inhalation or via the
gastrointestinal tract and is then broken down completely, mainly in the liver. Azide
anions can penetrate the blood-brain barrier and be metabolized to nitrogen oxide in the
central nervous system. The nitrogen oxide is considered responsible for the toxic effects
as it stimulates the synthesis of excitatory amino acids and thus causes marked reductions
in blood pressure and convulsions. Azide anions inhibit the activity of catalase, peroxidases
and cytochrome oxidase.'

I wonder what the effects of anticonvulsants or other prescription drugs like sedatives are in this picture. Without the excitatory amino acids, what will happen ? I think the research on SA is shoddy. When 'properly' executed it will likely work, but if it doesn't ?

Nitschke, Nitschke, Nitschke ... liking my posts will not help me, I'm a 'specialist' already (what's the point) and it only creates spam. So I prefer no likes unless it serves a particular purpose.
 
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spanishguy22

Enlightened
Apr 9, 2019
1,003
I kind of gave up on Azide but I really want it still just need a Europe source
 
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DarkStar1

Member
Apr 2, 2019
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do you mean you gave up on Azide because you need a European source or because you want to use a different method?
 
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spanishguy22

Enlightened
Apr 9, 2019
1,003
do you mean you gave up on Azide because you need a European source or because you want to use a different method?
I don't have a source but I want it. In Europe is hard though only Alibaba and seems shady and import may be illegal
 
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Yuri

Member
Apr 10, 2019
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I can't beleive that according to the pph, charcoal method is more peaceful than the SN or the azide. How do they calculate peacefulness.
With CO when done properly you will just pass out within seconds and not wake up. Very few methods are that peaceful.
 
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DarkStar1

Member
Apr 2, 2019
72
Why does PN consider Azide "peaceful" - he does not provide much information in the PPeH or videos on inorganic salts on the effects of taking it. Certainly there is a lot of information on SS from case studies/reports in the Megathread and elsewhere. It is supposed to be faster than SN but there are cases cited where it takes hours to die. I understand the dosages, whether or not someone took an antiemetic, and other factors influence time to die, lethality, side effects, etc. However, there is not a clear timeline for time to death as there is in some SN threads, including from PN in the PPeH. Azide is listed as quicker than SN but no time frame is clear. I think Azide is a better way to go if the side effects are close to SN (peacefulness) and the time to die is similar (even better if it is shorter). Does anyone have updated/ empirical data on how long it takes to die from Azide if antiemetics and sufficient dosage are take?
 
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