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The Fate of Political Discussions on SS

  • Stricter enforcement of established rules

    Votes: 20 11.8%
  • Contain political discussions to a subforum in offtopic

    Votes: 77 45.6%
  • Contain political discussions to a mega thread in offtopic

    Votes: 41 24.3%
  • Ban all political discussion on the forum, regardless of the context

    Votes: 27 16.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 4 2.4%

  • Total voters
    169
  • Poll closed .
omoidarui

omoidarui

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enuff said:
yeah, after it's destroyed friendships with people you used to like.
thanks but no thanks
keep politics out of my suicide
and while you're at it, keep your rosaries off of my ovaries (if I had any, i'm a guy)
nobody’s making you participate tho, and tbh rose-coloured glasses aside if someone falls out with someone else for a difference of opinion then their friendship wouldnta survived jack

Edit: this wasnt intended to sound rude soz if it does
 
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Amumu said:
That's a strawman. Anyway, the poll is closed now
No, its just that you don't get it, which is kind of the whole point I was trying to make. You're not apolitical, you just live in a bubble that is compatible with your own politics.
Endeavour said:
Bollocks - this is a suicide forum, I don't need telling you think I should X Y or Z because you think you're A B or C. Because politics. And is BLM political - YES. Go to a BLM forum and have your victimhood stroked. Don't expect me to do it for you.
Victimhood? This is a really shit attitude mate. No-one is expecting you to participate in discussions about racism, transphobia, or what have you. By saying "ban politics" though you're effectively telling marginalised people that they can't talk about the issues that they face because you might be offended. Its utterly absurd, and I shouldn't have to tell you how bigoted it is.

Why don't you take some of your own medicine - just grow up and deal with it.

Edit: To clarify, I'm not saying SS should become a politics forum. Its important that this is a safe space for people to talk about suicide and related issues and that should come first. I'd like to think that we'd offer solace and comfort to suicidal people regardless of their politics.

My point is that "no politics" is a hammer that can easily be misused against certain people, to shut them up or derail the conversations that they would want to have.
 
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rata1

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i think everything is in its own way political. we have so much subforums, why ban politics? doesnt sound logical for me.

this is one of the places where i feel more free than in most other places in rl as in virtual life. why cut this freedom ? if someone oesnt like a topic, well he/she shouldnt read it. as i do with topics i am not interested in. we just should't put "politics" in its classic sense on the top of importance. we still are a pro-choice /suicide forum not a political platform. what people talk about in subforums...? their own choice
 
Amumu

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TotallyIsolated said:
No, its just that you don't get it, which is kind of the whole point I was trying to make. You're not apolitical, you just live in a bubble that is compatible with your own politics.

I've never said I was apolitical, and I don't live in a fucking bubble. You're really rude btw.

That's a straw man indeed because talking about personal experiences of racism,
transphobia, poverty isn't political in my opinion.

But I'm a fucking retard living in my own bubble, so whatever.
See, this is that rudeness which led to my vote. People aren't often respectful.

It's not a problem for me but for other suicidal people it can be.
Of course people can stay away from it but they aren't always 100% rational, as human beings.

Politics is sensitive and some suicidal marginalised people or militants, whatever their political opinions may be,
may well be hurt or worse after a heated debate about something which matters for them. They may even ctb.

So banning politics isn't a "fuck you" towards these people. It's rather the opposite.
 
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it's_all_a_game

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Politics is totally unnecessary when it comes to ctb (and thus this site). When you're suicidal, you aren't concerned about petty political BS. As a black woman, I'm not worrying about stuff like BLM here. I am thinking about ending my own life.
 
LooksAtMoonDog

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Personally, I come here partly to avoid the political BS found on places like FB and reddit. If I see someone talking politics I'll avoid the discussion. That said, since this is for some people the only online community they feel comfortable in, I think there should be some space for political threads in Offtopic, and such discussions should be clearly identified. Any politics outside of Offtopic should be off-limits, and any political trolls should be banned.
 
DoNotLet2

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You dude have no arguments and that's why you accused me of racism which was an ad personam. Using ad personam automatically proves you wrong. That's my opinion.

I'm glad with the results of the survey. My option won ^^
 
Angst Filled Fuck Up

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Politics is for the living. Or else those who are really plugged into the world. So it doesn't strike me as something we are overly concerned with, on the whole. I think politics can easily be contained within one (mega)thread. There certainly isn't enough to work with to justify an entire subforum, I'd imagine.
 
Life_and_Death

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All I'm going to say about one of your options is that you just said

Censorship never leads to anything good.

No.
So maybe this option

Ban all political discussion on the forum, regardless of the context​

Isn't the best one?
 
Marquis

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Life_and_Death said:
All I'm going to say about one of your options is that you just said


So maybe this option

Isn't the best one?
I'm all about giving people those options.

If that is what the community desired, then we would roll with that, regardless of my personal opinion.

The subforum will be coming shortly once we get all the proper staff in place.
 
ohhgeeitsme

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While political discussions tend to upset me these days and make me feel worse about myself and humans (even though it used to be my thing), people shouldn't have to stop these discussions just because I'm now sensitive to it. I have the option to not read it. I think banning it altogether is not a good idea. Banning any discussion is never a good idea. Not to mention, politics in particular are very relevant to mental/physical health, hardships and suicide in general so it doesn't make sense to censor it. I think we should have an area where people can talk about these things. Megathread or subforum should work. I'm sure on my better days, I would even pop in on occasion.
 
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ohhgeeitsme said:
While political discussions tend to upset me these days and make me feel worse about myself and humans (even though it used to be my thing), people shouldn't have to stop these discussions just because I'm now sensitive to it. I have the option to not read it. I think banning it altogether is not a good idea. Banning any discussion is never a good idea. Not to mention, politics in particular are very relevant to mental/physical health, hardships and suicide in general so it doesn't make sense to censor it. I think we should have an area where people can talk about these things. Megathread or subforum should work. I'm sure on my better days, I would even pop in on occasion.

thanx for this comment!
i was close to post pretty much the same like you. especially the part that politics is relevant to mental health and also that it is never a good idea to ban discussions.
 
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to ban politics is impossible! everything is political, even if it doesn't please one. for example: if you are pro choice or not is political, just look at the laws. how do you want to talk about things without becoming political? so by the cause itself it is impossible to not be or talk politically.

it is even a philosophical question, and i think a very important one. if you ban "politics" from a forum or a list of permitted things, you create a precedent that allows afterwards to ban everything that is defined by anyone as "political". that opens a door to arbitrariness and therefore to despotism. for example: one person complains about the fact that n is not allowed to be bought in his country, another persons answers that he should not moan around and that he/she should understand how important is life and that he/she should understand why laws in her/his country are as they are and so on.....
this is or could be seen as political (actually it is!) so it would be banned or, even worse, could be required to be banned by someone or even anyone ,by any individual (even pro-choice people for example, just an example)!
by banning "political" things historic enlightenment would be banned, just as freedom of speech and, not the less, sense of reality. where begins the difference between something "political" and something "nonpolitical", where does it end?
sure they are not easy these political discussions, but is one important part of freedom! it is the essence of our freedom! banning politics would mean to ban discussion and therefore freedom of speach. if someon says something that i dont like i just have to define it as political, and then he/she is out, i even don't need an arguement.
 
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I'm torn, to be honest. The mission statement of this site is to give people information without inciting them to CTB. That's anything but political. And yet... the "first mover" for me wanting to CTB was my state's Democrat politicians! Hence my name. It's the Democrats who locked everything down, killed my social life, and indirectly destroyed my friendships with my former liberal friends. Hence, politics are directly responsible for me joining this site. Conversely, joining a radical right-wing group that was willing to socialize and welcomed me with open arms, was what caused me to have a change of heart about CTB'ing, at least at that time. So discussing politics is not entirely out of the question.
 
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You can't stop the Revolution. You can try to suppress it, but it will find its way into the Bastille of SS one way or another.

 
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Makko said:
You can't stop the Revolution. You can try to suppress it, but it will find its way into the Bastille of SS one way or another.

Not to fast,the savage primitive revolution only will stop with more revolution.
 
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it will or it will not. but it definitely will not be televised!
 
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rata1 said:
i think everything is in its own way political. we have so much subforums, why ban politics? doesnt sound logical for me.

this is one of the places where i feel more free than in most other places in rl as in virtual life. why cut this freedom ? if someone oesnt like a topic, well he/she shouldnt read it. as i do with topics i am not interested in. we just should't put "politics" in its classic sense on the top of importance. we still are a pro-choice /suicide forum not a political platform. what people talk about in subforums...? their own choice
Exactly. It is impossible to have a non-political conversation, anywhere, ever. The right to suicide is obviously political. As are all the life events that push us to suicide.
 
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Anyway, if moderators are considering restricting this more, are they also looking at more proactively responding to people being pushed out of the community by sexual harassment? I see the thread about that is now closed, what's that about?