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t-rex

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I've tried a host of antidepressants and antipsychotics. I've tried TMS. I've tried ketamine many times. I've tried LSD and mushrooms. Still depressed as hell with zero drive towards living life. After trying all that crap, my suicidal thoughts have been worse than ever.

I know there have been threads on ECT before but I just wanted to collect some fresh opinions. Yes, I know about the chance for memory loss. If I lost most of my memories from the past year, I wouldn't really mind, honestly. My life has been hell. So that could be a feature, not a bug. The stuff you read about difficulty learning new things (i.e. inability to form new short-term memories) is scary, but it's rare, and usually temporary. I just read the book "Shock: the Healing Power of Electroconvulsive Therapy" and it has emboldened me. Many of the patients interviewed in the book who did have some memory problems said they would do it again if they sank back as low as they had been. They were that transformed by their first course of ECT.

What I'm not certain about is how hard it is to be approved for it. I haven't been through 27 drugs, it's probably under 10. My psychiatrist is amenable to the idea though, so I guess all I need is his recommendation to an ECT clinic and I'm good. I'm so ready to try this.
 
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Sorry for the silly question isn’t that they put on your head and gives you small eletric shocks?
 
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t-rex

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Yes. You get put under anesthesia and are given a strong muscle relaxer, then they shock your brain to cause a seizure. You go in and do this multiple times over some weeks or months.

It sounds barbaric, but the practice has been very refined and made safer since it was invented in 1938.
 
WhiteRabbit

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Feb 12, 2019
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I didn't know they still did this.
 
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busternaught

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I was once offered ECT as well, I'm still considering trying it. It honestly seems better than going through the hell of trying out dozens of different drugs that don't do anything but make me sleepy and gain weight. I'm by no means a medical expert, from what I've heard, people seem to find it very helpful.
 
t-rex

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I was once offered ECT as well, I'm still considering trying it. It honestly seems better than going through the hell of trying out dozens of different drugs that don't do anything but make me sleepy and gain weight. I'm by no means a medical expert, from what I've heard, people seem to find it very helpful.

I completely agree. Drug trials take forever, and it's so disappointing when they go nowhere. When ECT was invented (it was then called electroshock) it was considered a *first line* treatment, not a last resort. Of course, they didn't have psychiatric meds back then. Now we got Big Pharma making boatloads of cash oh once-daily-for-the-rest-of-your-life pills. ECT is apparently not very profitable in comparison. But it WORKS.

What's holding you back from trying it, fear of memory loss? Cost/availability?

I didn't know they still did this.

Yep. It nearly died out in the 70s and 80s due to a strong anti-ECT movement and inaccurate portrayals of the therapy in moves like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. The public turned on it. But it made a resurgence later on because, well, it works...
 
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greencondo

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they gave me prozac at 16, that I swear my brain was never the same since. Kind of like what some people say happened after a psychedelic drug experience. I was on a train of meds since, that I had trouble with. They gave me a DNA drug tolerance test and found out that all of those drugs were bad combo for my body.
Meds have been a life safer for some, but they aren't the answer for everyone.

If you want to give ECT a try, I say go for it. Take advantage of the fact that it's available to you.

I wonder if the the possible memory loss would even be a plus for some. To help reroute the brain thought pattern grooves.
 
Feeding Pigeons

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Aug 5, 2021
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Like you I've tried many things, and have been suggested ECT multiple times. I don't do it because my most cherished thing in the world are the memories of me and my friends making each other laugh. I'm not willing to risk that, I'd rather die with those memories intact. That and the fact that even if I were to completely stop being depressed tomorrow, life would still be garbage. I wanna stay depressed and get through with my suicide.

ECT also has a very high rate of uhhh, crap I forgot the word, but basically even if ECT works a lot of those people become depressed again.

Also I love your avatar t-rex, I recognize where its from.
 
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To be frank, ECT scares the hell out of me, and I do personally believe it is a barbaric treatment method. I would personally never opt for ECT therapy if offered, but then it's just me.

As for you, @t-rex , I can understand why you want to give it a try. If one has already tried everything available with nothing being able to cure one's depression & suicide ideation, then what else does one do? Go for the methods that have not been tried yet, however risky they might be.

Whatever choice you make, I wish you the best and hope your depression gets cured.
 
t-rex

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I wonder if the the possible memory loss would even be a plus for some. To help reroute the brain thought pattern grooves.

I have wondered that as well. In the earlier days of ECT it was thought that the memory loss was instrumental in the actual recovery, although I believe today that is not accepted by the scientific community.

Like you I've tried many things, and have been suggested ECT multiple times. I don't do it because my most cherished thing in the world are the memories of me and my friends making each other laugh. I'm not willing to risk that, I'd rather die with those memories intact. That and the fact that even if I were to completely stop being depressed tomorrow, life would still be garbage. I wanna stay depressed and get through with my suicide.

ECT also has a very high rate of uhhh, crap I forgot the word, but basically even if ECT works a lot of those people become depressed again.

Also I love your avatar t-rex, I recognize where its from.

I can understand not wanting to lose precious memories. My understanding is that you do not lose random old memories, but rather the ones closer to the time of the ECT. If that's true, I don't mind my last 18 months being wiped. It's been real shitty, I haven't made many worthwhile memories in some time.

Is the word you were looking for "relapse"? It is true that ECT is not a permanent cure. But then again... what is?

Yes, Dinosaur Comics. :)

To be frank, ECT scares the hell out of me, and I do personally believe it is a barbaric treatment method. I would personally never opt for ECT therapy if offered, but then it's just me.

As for you, @t-rex , I can understand why you want to give it a try. If one has already tried everything available with nothing being able to cure one's depression & suicide ideation, then what else does one do? Go for the methods that have not been tried yet, however risky they might be.

Whatever choice you make, I wish you the best and hope your depression gets cured.

Yes, I'm ready to take this risk, though I can certainly understand why some are not. An awful lot of people in that book I just read said they'd do ECT again in an instant—despite memory problems—if they needed to get their life back again. It's compelling. Unlike @Feeding Pigeons I have not yet gotten to the point where I want to stay depressed and ctb, so it could be worth it for me. Hell, if ECT makes me happy but a little dumb or forgetful, maybe I can realize my dream of becoming a Buddhist monk. Thank you for the well-wishes, @Depressed Cat.
 
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Feeding Pigeons

Feeding Pigeons

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I can understand not wanting to lose precious memories. My understanding is that you do not lose random old memories, but rather the ones closer to the time of the ECT. If that's true, I don't mind my last 18 months being wiped. It's been real shitty, I haven't made many worthwhile memories in some time.

Is the word you were looking for "relapse"? It is true that ECT is not a permanent cure. But then again... what is?
I've heard of people losing 20+ years of memories, not bits and pieces just wiped clean. Yeah the word was relapse, thank you.

Nothings a permanent cure but those stakes are too high for me. Good luck, I hope the ECT works for you man.
 
greencondo

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Sep 25, 2019
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I have wondered that as well. In the earlier days of ECT it was thought that the memory loss was instrumental in the actual recovery, although I believe today that is not accepted by the scientific community.



I can understand not wanting to lose precious memories. My understanding is that you do not lose random old memories, but rather the ones closer to the time of the ECT. If that's true, I don't mind my last 18 months being wiped. It's been real shitty, I haven't made many worthwhile memories in some time.

Is the word you were looking for "relapse"? It is true that ECT is not a permanent cure. But then again... what is?

Yes, Dinosaur Comics. :)



Yes, I'm ready to take this risk, though I can certainly understand why some are not. An awful lot of people in that book I just read said they'd do ECT again in an instant—despite memory problems—if they needed to get their life back again. It's compelling. Unlike @Feeding Pigeons I have not yet gotten to the point where I want to stay depressed and ctb, so it could be worth it for me. Hell, if ECT makes me happy but a little dumb or forgetful, maybe I can realize my dream of becoming a Buddhist monk. Thank you for the well-wishes, @Depressed Cat.
Worse case scenario, if it's not a cure...you could be considered pretty bad ass for giving it a go and can say that you gave it shot.
Some of my worse regrets are connected to things I never did or didnt try. (due to limitations and such)
I've heard of people losing 20+ years of memories, not bits and pieces just wiped clean. Yeah the word was relapse, thank you.

Nothings a permanent cure but those stakes are too high for me. Good luck, I hope the ECT works for you man.
I looked into it myself and had not heard that. I had a landlord that did it and it just made her forget some appointments but nothing major. I spent sometime in the hospital ward with people who were having it done.
Do you have any links I can read?
If it was a good chance I could lose 20 plus years...I would be in line tomorrow. Hopefully it would at least help the literal weekly nightmares I have of the past. or I could shower without that fear monster feeling and having to have my dog next to the door, etc. If there was anything I could take to help me forget the trauma, I would in a second. So I'm curious on that.
 
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t-rex

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Worse case scenario, if it's not a cure...you could be considered pretty bad ass for giving it a go and can say that you gave it shot.
Some of my worse regrets are connected to things I never did or didnt try. (due to limitations and such)
Yep, if it doesn't work, maybe I'll be eligible for that study at Stanford where they put a chip in your brain and calibrate it specific to your depression regions to stimulate the right areas a few times a day. Worked wonders for some of the participants. Plus then you're basically a bionic person. Sweet. :)



I've heard of people losing 20+ years of memories, not bits and pieces just wiped clean. Yeah the word was relapse, thank you.

Nothings a permanent cure but those stakes are too high for me. Good luck, I hope the ECT works for you man.

That's definitely scary. :( I'm going to grill the docs about what they can do to reduce risk of memory loss. I'm sure (I hope) it's gotten better over the years. Thanks for the well wishes.
 
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Feeding Pigeons

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I don't know how common people lose so much of their memories, I only know this because of a video I saw of a woman talking about her experiences with ECT. I don't know if it was 20+ years but she basically lost a huge portion of herself.


Heres a comment posted on another video she posted a few months later.
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That's definitely scary. :( I'm going to grill the docs about what they can do to reduce risk of memory loss. I'm sure (I hope) it's gotten better over the years. Thanks for the well wishes.
They're going to tell you what you want to hear. If this is your last resort and you don't care about memories that much, by all means, but I'm telling you this so you know going in.
 
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greencondo

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Yep, if it doesn't work, maybe I'll be eligible for that study at Stanford where they put a chip in your brain and calibrate it specific to your depression regions to stimulate the right areas a few times a day. Worked wonders for some of the participants. Plus then you're basically a bionic person. Sweet. :)

ohhh. yeah, I'd do it.

I looked into things like that when I was younger. I was telling doctors to experiment on me, to do whatever. There really wasn't anything at the time, besides meds like prozac. They had that vagus nerve nerve simulator trial that I contacted the Dr and begged to be admitted to. It was already full, but it didn't seem to go anywhere after the trials. (that I know of)

Even back then all counselors would do was say "how does that make you feel" Half the time, I would sit there in the office in silence. They were only good for basic family conflict resolution, etc. (did not apply to me)
Counseling/therapy ideas have progressed a bunch since then, tho there is still much to catch up and a long way to go.

They have had some success with trauma and psychedelic drug counseling in this area for war vets. It hasn't made it to anything I could afford or insurance would cover...it's just shown some success. It really calls for a really good therapist to walk you through the trauma experiences one by one over time.
 
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That's heartbreaking. :( However she recorded it while still in the midst of ECT treatments. Memories often tend to return after treatment has been over for some time. I wonder how she's doing today...

EDIT: I see she has a video from six months later, and she still feels dumb and has memory problems. Sucks.
They have had some success with trauma and psychedelic drug counseling in this area for war vets. It hasn't made it to anything I could afford or insurance would cover...it's just shown some success. It really calls for a really good therapist to walk you through the trauma experiences one by one over time.
I've read about that. It's with MDMA, correct? It should be legal and available in a short few years. Last I looked they were in Phase 3 FDA trials.

Are you a vet?
 
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greencondo

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That's heartbreaking. :( However she recorded it while still in the midst of ECT treatments. Memories often tend to return after treatment has been over for some time. I wonder how she's doing today...

I've read about that. It's with MDMA, correct? It should be legal and available in a short few years. Last I looked they were in Phase 3 FDA trials.

Are you a vet?
Correct. MDMA

I am not a vet (my father is) I meant that is who they first tested and reported it on, around here.
I myself and just from a very turbulent and often terrifying background.
 
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Jan 19, 2020
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Recently (21 November - 21 December) I was in the hospital for a suicide attempt. I have tried several drugs, but none of them have really helped me (I am still trying to find the right ones). I always fell back into my depression hole, and suicide for a long time has seemed like my only option.

While in the hospital, they performed ECT on me, 3 times a week for ? weeks. I am now doing it once a week (although, they want me to do it twice a week, yet my job and life obligations hold me back from this).

Memory loss is indeed real. I have had trouble remembering directions while driving, things I've said, places I've gone, things I've done, people I've met... I don't remember much from the past year. I don't remember my prior hospitalization in March-April, or this last one very much. It is *very* frustrating. However, I do believe that ECT is the main reason I am alive today. It works for me. I haven't tried a *crazy* amount of drugs, but I did need two doctors to approve me for the treatment. I have noticed significant improvement in my mood and thoughts.

I wish you the best of luck on your journey if this is the route you seem fit for you.
 
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waitingforrest

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I have had ECT. Yes the memory loss is real, forgot many things. But some were traumatic memories so I don't really mind.
I personally didn't see much help from it, but that's just my experience.
I will say that if you ever want to stop, you have every right to say so. Don't let people make you take treatments you aren't comfortable with. I hope all goes well for you.
 
LastFlowers

LastFlowers

the haru that can read
Apr 27, 2019
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I don't know how common people lose so much of their memories, I only know this because of a video I saw of a woman talking about her experiences with ECT. I don't know if it was 20+ years but she basically lost a huge portion of herself.


Heres a comment posted on another video she posted a few months later.
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They're going to tell you what you want to hear. If this is your last resort and you don't care about memories that much, by all means, but I'm telling you this so you know going in.

I had a discussion with quite a few people in the chat about ECT the other day, I seemed to be the only one really against it, which was surprising.
I suppose my mental distress is but a symptom of physical and permanent situational factors, so maybe they thought of the dilemma of fucking with one’s brain differently than I.

I have personally been threatened with the procedure when I was in a psych ward.
It came about after I was going through withdrawal over a cluster of medications that they took me off of cold turkey.
It was so bad that I could not even walk, I was so tired yet so restless, I’m not even sure how to describe the feeling..but they told me that it was impossible to experience withdrawal symptoms from psych meds (lmaoo), I actually half-believed them, and at that age I didn’t even know what withdrawal entailed so I had no way of accurately faking it, I was a “straight” teen so no experience with drugs really.

Anyway, the way I was treated during this stay (much worse than some previous stays..haven’t been to one for years now, thank god) was unacceptable.
I would even have talks with them (the staff), speaking on their level, questioning, doubting, inquiring..they hated that.
I didn’t treat them like they were superior to me, and I was not yet a zombie, nor a fool, they did not like that I didn’t take what they said at face value, or that I stood up for myself.
They even tried to turn my parents against me, told them I was a master manipulator just because I called them and told them I wanted to leave and wasn’t sure what was happening. They were the manipulative ones.

All this to say, I believe their dislike of me led to my suddenly being taken to an empty conference room where I was surrounded by way too many people on the opposite end of the table..who then proceeded to tell me I would be getting ECT.
I grew cold. I was remembering what ECT was-if I recall-and I was terrified.
But I was so tired, so out of it, if felt like a dream..a nightmare.
I told them that was not going to be happening.
No way in hell.
They told me “we can get a court order, you don’t have to agree”...I was disturbed.
I told them my family (parents) would never allow it (at this time I was bluffing, because I really wasn’t entirely sure they would stop this from happening) and I think this gave them pause, I remember repeating it, I remember being firm, trying to hide my terror. They were going to take my mind, the one thing I was able to escape to and even somewhat cherish (strange to say, to think-as someone in a psych unit, but I’ve never considered my brain to be the root of my problems). I was prepared to physically fight them if need be. I’m telling you, I would have fought to the death.

I had previously seen what ECT had done to patients on the other wing of the hospital, they came up in a state of blank nothingness, just gone, I know I’ve told this story before, and earlier versions are probably more accurate, but one woman..I think the first, when she came up in that way, I remember asking her where she was this whole time, and she said ECT.
And I was like “What’s ECT?”, and when she told me, through her half-lidded hazy state, I was mortified and baffled.
I asked her, “You got that done willingly!?”
And she said “Not the first time.”
Interpret that as you will, but at the time, all the way up until now..that haunted me.
Not the first time.”...so depending on how you look at it, she either liked the treatment so much that she finally submitted to it...OR..the treatment fried her brain to the degree that she knows no other way than to be submissive, docile, in a similar fashion as was the case with lobotomized patients.
Their “problems” were solved via making them lose the wits they had to even recognize said problems.

Years after this incident, and my own (I was able to avoid ECT by the skin of my teeth, a psychiatrist from the other wing that I had a brief history with also helped to stop it from happening, even though she was pals with the ECT director who threatened me..she was not against the treatment of ECT, but she was for my wishes, and for that I am grateful, her and I had some arguments here and there but she did the right thing, which I can rarely say for people in this profession. My parents also said No, another rare instance that I could possibly thank them for. Although my father later decided that ECT isn’t all that bad...scary thought if I should end up back inside), I came to know someone who had a relative (not blood) that had the “treatment” done several times over, and by the end of it he was supposedly in not much better a condition than those who are “vegetative”, he barely spoke, couldn’t do anything on his own or even move much, I think he was in a wheelchair but I’m not 100%, he couldn’t even interact with his own child properly, and I was told he was once a very intelligent man, now just gone. More gone than I had seen anyone appear at the ward.
It was very tragic.

I don’t think people realize that all of the posted information and euphemistic language used revolving around ECT, is almost always being shared from a biased source, those who profit from the procedure or are involved with administering it.
And then this information and “language” is passed onto the public and the patients, who then pass it onward to other patients.
These people in charge get paid the more beds they fill.

From my research, it has come to my understanding that those involved in the practice (and study of it) cannot even describe the exact mechanism in how it “works”...they cannot even tell us what is happening, they have no idea themselves.
There are theories but nothing much more than that, so essentially they are “winging” it in a way, just hooking you up and seeing what happens.
There are claims that it improves symptoms but what is considered an improvement?
Being too ‘out of it’ to care?
Forgetting to focus on your issues because you literally forgot them? Along with your language and writing skills? (another side effect I’ve heard and read people lament over)
Lobotomies were said to “improve symptoms” “treat and cure” as well, but by whose definition? And in what state?
Not to mention it’s known to lose effectiveness the longer you go without getting secondary treatments.
In other words, the “cure” doesn’t last, but the damage sure does.

All ECT is, to me, is the closest thing we have to a modern day equivalent of the Lobotomy.
Obviously a lobotomy is far fucking worse, and modern day ECT is no longer as terrible as it was in “The One Who Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” days, but I still consider it pretty barbaric, and in the least-unsafe and unethical, especially without further understanding of what exactly is taking place, both “helpful” and harmful.

Searching for experiences like this woman’s^ is NECESSARY so that one is informed on all counts, sees all possible losses, so that they can be absolutely certain that having a medically induced seizure via electric shock is something they want to fuck with.
It’s no joke, it’s taken way too lightly and the rhetoric surrounding it-pushed by some other patients and their doctors alike-is alluring and lulls one into a false sense of security, like it’s just a day at the spa, nothing lost forever, just peace.
But for a lot of people, this is far from the case, and it was never a good idea, just a desperate (or coerced) one.
So to anyone seriously considering this, LOOK for the bad, before you believe the good. Negative reviews (of anything) can often be buried, science that runs to the contrary of the benefits is also going to need to be sought out, under the heaps of new age enthusiasm for this procedure.
It’s all there though, and much of it is perfectly authentic and honest.

The biggest problem I have with ECT, is that for such a serious “treatment”, it is still forced on patients, it is still administered involuntarily (no matter what anyone says otherwise) and that is horrific to me..this is something that should NEVER be done to someone who is unwilling. Never. Yet it is.
Both voluntarily-and far from it.
 
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Like you I've tried many things, and have been suggested ECT multiple times. I don't do it because my most cherished thing in the world are the memories of me and my friends making each other laugh. I'm not willing to risk that, I'd rather die with those memories intact. That and the fact that even if I were to completely stop being depressed tomorrow, life would still be garbage. I wanna stay depressed and get through with my suicide.

ECT also has a very high rate of uhhh, crap I forgot the word, but basically even if ECT works a lot of those people become depressed again.

Also I love your avatar t-rex, I recognize where its from.
Relapse?
I haven't done any research on this at all, but I wondered about this while reading the thread. Could the side-effect itself be the cure and you just feel better because you forget your problems?
I guess it depends on what your problems are lol, are they sourced entirely in the mind, or something you’re still going home to...
ya know?
 
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I haven't done any research on this at all, but I wondered about this while reading the thread. Could the side-effect itself be the cure and you just feel better because you forget your problems?

I guess it depends on what your problems are lol, are they sourced entirely in the mind, or something you’re still going home to...
ya know?

I'd only try this if I suffered from endogenous/"biologically based" depression. I highly doubt it's possible to forget only one's problems. :ahhha: Also, I assume it's harder to ctb if they turn you into a cross between a human & a vegetable.
 
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I guess it depends on what your problems are lol, are they sourced entirely in the mind, or something you’re still going home to...
ya know?
I'd only try this if I suffered from endogenous/"biologically based" depression. I highly doubt it's possible to forget only one's problems. :ahhha: Also, I assume it's harder to ctb if they turn you into a cross between a human & a vegetable.
Yeah, I just mean that for those people that do find it helpful, could the secret of why it's helpful lie in something as banal as having worse memory (across the board), which would make it harder to dwell on one's problems or something.
 
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Yeah, I just mean that for those people that do find it helpful, could the secret of why it's helpful lie in something as banal as having worse memory (across the board), which would make it harder to dwell on one's problems or something.
I watched a documentary on the brain and how thoughts, especially anxiety, get grooved into your brain. The more you think them, the deeper they get and the more you will think them. So in that regard it might help, but no idea how that corresponds to this treatment and recovery. |
I do think that is why delta 8 helps me. It keeps me from hyper focusing on anything, therefore repairing some of those deep grooves and having some chance at new thoughts. Only a guess tho. If I feel myself start to get into one of those loops, I take some and it stops it, which is a big deal for me even if it doesn't cure me.
 
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Yeah, I just mean that for those people that do find it helpful, could the secret of why it's helpful lie in something as banal as having worse memory (across the board), which would make it harder to dwell on one's problems or something.
Not sure, I wish a lot of studies showed us more of the humans behind the numbers and estranged data. (But I’m also a big advocate for privacy..so..)

But it could be, if their problems aren’t going to reappear and are only based on a memory that is no longer indicative of the present.
Still too much else to risk though, IMO, and even the bad times sort of shape us into who we are, I wonder what becomes of the identity once gone.
I know that one patient said they still retained their anger and hurt, but they no longer knew why they were angry and hurt, to me that’s practically worse than knowing why you’re suffering.
 
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Not sure, I wish a lot of studies showed us more of the humans behind the numbers and estranged data. (But I’m also a big advocate for privacy..so..)

But it could be, if their problems aren’t going to reappear and are only based on a memory that is no longer indicative of the present.
Still too much else to risk though, IMO, and even the bad times sort of shape us into who we are, I wonder what becomes of the identity once gone.
I know that one patient said they still retained their anger and hurt, but they no longer knew why they were angry and hurt, to me that’s practically worse than knowing why you’re suffering.
no way to know for sure for me, but if I could forget some of my past and even still have anger or hurt, Id much rather deal with that and move on then have to keep remembering. That would be a big draw for me. As long as it makes my body forget also. But from what others have said and what my landlord said,..it comes back for many anyways. She also never lost her idenity, not even like amnesia. It was just more she couldn't remember plans she had set, etc. I'm sure it's different for others though.
also keeping in mind that medications carry risks also. My brain has never been the same since prozac, tho I know others probably had it without issue. Everyone should do their homework and decide what options are out there, what is a good risk for them, what they have to loss.etc
They have no idea how it works, just like they have no idea exactly how many meds work...
it seems they don't even have the diagonals in agreement. Its all just random opinion most of the time.
 
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the haru that can read
Apr 27, 2019
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I watched a documentary on the brain and how thoughts, especially anxiety, get grooved into your brain. The more you think them, the deeper they get and the more you will think them. So in that regard it might help, but no idea how that corresponds to this treatment and recovery. |
I do think that is why delta 8 helps me. It keeps me from hyper focusing on anything, therefore repairing some of those deep grooves and having some chance at new thoughts. Only a guess tho. If I feel myself start to get into one of those loops, I take some and it stops it, which is a big deal for me even if it doesn't cure me.
Are you meaning to say actual physical grooves in the brain? Or the same signal firing over and over again? (So to speak)

I think there is some evolutionary benefit to readjusting one’s self into a certain anxious and hyper-aware state when their life has consisted of so many anxiety-inducing and traumatic events, it’s meant to anticipate danger, to learn the pattern of your life and interactions/reactions of others, so that you can make your way about the world, around these obstacles, understanding what they are and that more are likely to come, the way things have been going.
So for some, all these “loops” are simply them reacting realistically to their environment-to protect themselves.
The problem lies in where these thoughts and perceptions remain for the present, when the situation and environment no longer support or warrant them.
So you have a point, but like you, I am unsure of how it would relate to or benefit from ECT, it’s not exactly a “selective zapping”, anything could happen, any memory or thought could be obliterated, any could stay.
And with some missing, you may find that others left behind no longer fit together, and the world-and your own self, become a confusing concept to you.
no way to know for sure for me, but if I could forget some of my past and even still have anger or hurt, Id much rather deal with that and move on then have to keep remembering. That would be a big draw for me. As long as it makes my body forget also. But from what others have said and what my landlord said,..it comes back for many anyways. She also never lost her idenity, not even like amnesia. It was just more she couldn't remember plans she had set, etc. I'm sure it's different for others though.
also keeping in mind that medications carry risks also. My brain has never been the same since prozac, tho I know others probably had it without issue. Everyone should do their homework and decide what options are out there, what is a good risk for them, what they have to loss.etc

it seems they don't even have the diagonals in agreement. Its all just random opinion most of the time.
Yes meds can have a similar effect, inflict similar damage..but usually only once they are taken long-term, otherwise many side effects dissipate, besides specific cases of course. Much different mechanism of delivery.
I was on one psych med that made me lose my vision close-up (extreme blur), I couldn’t read anymore, a doctor (same one who helped stop the proposed ECT) had to give me her spare prescription glasses to use (which worked luckily), but once I was off of this med, I could soon see again, if anything I am slightly near-sighted now.

I have been prescribed all types of medications, only decent ones for me were the “take as you need” anxiety type meds, and meds for sleep.
But even those had their downsides.
And the rest just made me worse, or made me stupid and oblivious to my own nature and being, I would have walked out of the house without any clothes on while taking one of them, never actually happened but the state it put me in..I could have easily done something like that and not even have realized it. (Would have incinerated the neighbor’s eyes.)
I don’t quite know if I have any lasting damage from any medication I took, I hope not, but it would be hard to separate from all the damage my own situation has caused me.
 
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Sorry for the silly question isn’t that they put on your head and gives you small eletric shocks?
‼️NO.
It is where they give you HUGE, HIGH VOLTAGE electric shocks that cause permanent brain damage.
Important distinction.
 
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