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So I've actually just learned that apparently there are different levels of being unconscious? And apparently you can still feel pain while being unconscious? I actually didn't know that and now I'm worried that I will feel pain from the SN. this is NOT a fear mongering thread. It's just changed my whole perspective on it now and I'm worried that I will feel pain and not be able to do anything about it. I'm still going to do it anyway lol. I'm just more worried now... but whatever... even if that does happen (which I don't think it will) it will all be over quickly.
 
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Xion

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That sounds weird... What I do know is that during my last attempt I convulsed all over my apartment apparently, woke up with hematoma everywhere etc, and didn't feel a thing...

SN still scares me though... There are so many random factors in death too, I'd rather have something more peaceful...
 
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So I've actually just learned that apparently there are different levels of being unconscious? And apparently you can still feel pain while being unconscious? I actually didn't know that and now I'm worried that I will feel pain from the SN. this is NOT a fear mongering thread. It's just changed my whole perspective on it now and I'm worried that I will feel pain and not be able to do anything about it. I'm still going to do it anyway lol. I'm just more worried now... but whatever... even if that does happen (which I don't think it will) it will all be over quickly.
I actually see yoyr logic here and can relate. I attempted partial hanging with gusto a while back. I had passed out but was still somewhat aware of my body convulsing. I wasn't fully conscious. I couldn't see for example. I was blacked out but conscious enough for my SI to get me out of there. My vision started coming back after I was storming out of the room I attempted in. I fully intended to die that day. I had my ducks in a row as best I could and was totally ready. What I wasn't ready for was just how strong survival instinct was going to be even in the face of acceptance. It took over.

So I think your fear is entirely logical an valid. We don't know what people wxperiwnce past a certain point when they're successful. I have a hunch that it varies. Much like the way some people forget what they did whilst srunk and other do not. I never forgot things I did and I spent a good many years partying and getting messed up. I always remembered. Similarly, as an addict I experienced everyone around me nodding out off small amounts of heroin where that never happened to me really. Not without me taking high doses. There was o ly one time I really felt it take over me and tbh I didn't like it all that much. All the other times I used I had full control over it. Even if I nodded out I could come round and get on with things in an instant whilst my buddies would literally be sitting there with full cigarettes burnwd down in their hands and their heads on the floor. I used to get a bit annoyed about it, thinking back. Like, "why can't you pull your shit together when necessary!?" but that bringa me back to my point - people vary in their relative conscious capacities and for some I think its much easier to let go and be gone.

I'm sorry, that's not doing your concerns and fears any favours. We're all aiming for subjective understanding here though right? I think a good dose of benzos is a logical choice being made by many using SN lately. It has amnesic effects and they are quite pronounced. I think ambien might actually be similarly useful. It's certainly more amnesia inducing. It might make it easier to make mistakes though. Some people get weird on bypnotics so may be benzos are the more logical choice.
 
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Deleted my last post as it was too irrelevant to the topic at hand. (sort of)

There are different levels of consciousness especially within anesthesiology. Regarding SN this is actually one of the reasons I am unsure on taking it. The brain is last to go (someone correct me if I'm wrong) so you can assume there will be some form of discomforting experience to it. However anecdotal reports on here have stated they recall waking up in hospital with no memory after the SN. I'd probably guess they did experience something but the memory of it vanished later though that is just speculation.
 
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Sorry I don't understand how to read that.
The glasgow coma scale is a scale used universally in medicine to guage the level or coma people are in. It's a sliding scale basically and it holds up to what you're saying. If you 'google' it you'll get many results.
Deleted my last post as it was too irrelevant to the topic at hand. (sort of)

There are different levels of consciousness especially anesthesiology. Regarding SN this is actually one of the reasons I am unsure on taking it. The brain is last to go (someone correct me if I'm wrong) so you can assume there will be some form of discomforting experience to it. However anecdotal reports on here have stated they recall waking up in hospital with no memory after the SN. I'd probably guess they did experience something but the memory of it vanished later though that is just speculation.
I'm with you on that.
 
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So I've actually just learned that apparently there are different levels of being unconscious? And apparently you can still feel pain while being unconscious? I actually didn't know that and now I'm worried that I will feel pain from the SN. this is NOT a fear mongering thread. It's just changed my whole perspective on it now and I'm worried that I will feel pain and not be able to do anything about it. I'm still going to do it anyway lol. I'm just more worried now... but whatever... even if that does happen (which I don't think it will) it will all be over quickly.
I know! That's what I meant by all those times I said, I was scared of being put in a nightmare kind of dream, because I've had dreams translate pain from life. Totally can happen. And totally freaked out by it too. That's what makes me scared. What is my consciousness going to be doing, and where will I be going. Will my guilt over my entire life play a role and plunge me into a hell of it's choosing? Or I've had dreams where I was at a job working my ass off as people are being filed into booths, and I get stressed about the drink orders etc., is it going to be that? Of course while you are dreaming, Cut.....ok that's a rap". This is what has me afraid of taking my SN. The other night I had a dream I was in a rather large airplane, and I couldn't breath in the dream (and I felt the suffocation for real), there was some kind of problem and I was trying to tell people that they needed to wear their mask for oxygen. All while I suffocated too, and I really couldn't fucking breath. Then I woke up. Oh yeah, then theres the dreams where you are a passenger in a vehicle, it could be a bus, train...and you start worrying it's going to go out of control as it begins to just as you wake up.
 
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This is actually one of the things I have on my list of things to research further into before i CTB. I want to see links to actual scientific evidence of this though.

Basically lets take a full drop hanging for example, they say you become unconsciousness immediately unlike partial hanging which takes around 10 secs, because with full drop you rip out the brain stem. So this causes unconsciousness. But how can the doctors/scientists be certain that we still don't feel pain? They only say that we don't feel pain, but they haven't explained and showed evidence.... well they probably have it somewhere but that's what I plan to research, because the more I reach 100% confidence in the method, the easier it will be to go through with it later.
 
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This is actually one of the things I have on my list of things to research further into before i CTB. I want to see links to actual scientific evidence of this though.

Basically lets take a full drop hanging for example, they say you become unconsciousness immediately unlike partial hanging which takes around 10 secs, because with full drop you rip out the brain stem. So this causes unconsciousness. But how can the doctors/scientists be certain that we still don't feel pain? They only say that we don't feel pain, but they haven't explained and showed evidence.... well they probably have it somewhere but that's what I plan to research, because the more I reach 100% confidence in the method, the easier it will be to go through with it later.
When you say full drop, do you mean from a big height? The terminology we use on this site is full suspension and long drop. Full suspension is stepping off a chair, long drop is falling at least your body height. Full suspension does NOT rip out your brainstem. Neither does long drop hanging. Long drop hanging usually breaks the neck and severs the spinal cord but not always.
 
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@Shu Yes, you can feel pain unconsciously. Unless you are brain dead, then there is no pain because your brain doesn't signal to you that it is painful. Most anesthesiologists watch for an increase in heart rate or blood pressure to indicate the pain. If you are unconscious and you have a painful stimulus but are not brain dead or high af on heavy-duty meds, you could potentially feel a lot for about 6-8 minutes as your brain dies. To be considered brain dead there must be no pupil response, no corneal reflexes, no cough, no gag (while vigorously being suctioned, no spontaneous breathing, and no withdrawal to pain. That also includes the heart rate not changing when the painful stimulus is performed.

Also, it is the type of pain that Motrin won't fix. I can tell you, in my experience, those with partial thickness burns (which is essentially what you are doing to your lungs) often can't be mitigated with routine doses of IV pain medication. They are often put into a medically induced coma with drugs that have an amnesic effect to mitigate it. Unfortunately, if you aren't at a true burn center you will often only be given a paralytic, which for some reason some doctors seem to think also takes care of pain. It doesn't. It just paralyzes you while you feel every inch of the pain, inside or out. That's why when a patient comes in from one of those types of providers, the first thing they do is jack you up on opiates or hypnotic/amnesic medications. If you happen to be at one of those facilities, you will have to be transported to a larger hospital with a burn center completely paralyzed, feeling and hearing everything around you.

Not trying to scare you, but I want you to have a realistic mindset. I suppose with a large enough dose of opiates or barbiturates you MIGHT feel less pain, but with that much of either onboard, I am not sure you could mix the two fluids together properly. Just something to think about.
 
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When you say full drop, do you mean from a big height? The terminology we use on this site is full suspension and long drop. Full suspension is stepping off a chair, long drop is falling at least your body height. Full suspension does NOT rip out your brainstem. Neither does long drop hanging. Long drop hanging usually breaks the neck and severs the spinal cord but not always.
I went into my notes and it seems like it's possible I remembered it wrong. It's not the brain stem it's the spinal cord. This is the quote I have saved in my notes:

The aim of drop hanging, which is also frequently used in executions, is to break the neck. Participants fall vertically with a rope attached to their neck, which when taut applies a force sufficient to break the spinal cord, causing death.

The length of the drop, usually between 1.56 and 2.75 metres long, is calculated such that it is long enough to allow a less painful death, but short enough to avoid a decapitation.
So, what causes unconsciousness is when the spinal cord is ripped from the brain.
The thing is that the thread we have about hanging here in SS, it only covers suspension hanging. I am planning to start a topic for full drop hanging, but I will do a bit more research first. I just have so little time unfortunately.
 
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Also, it is the type of pain that Motrin won't fix. I can tell you, in my experience, those with partial thickness burns (which is essentially what you are doing to your lungs) often can't be mitigated with routine doses of IV pain medication.
What makes you say this re. oral consumption of SN?
 
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That sounds weird... What I do know is that during my last attempt I convulsed all over my apartment apparently, woke up with hematoma everywhere etc, and didn't feel a thing...

SN still scares me though... There are so many random factors in death too, I'd rather have something more peaceful...
What method did you use for your first method may I ask?
 
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Frm wht hve rd dffrnt ppl hve dffrnt exprnces - sme ppl hve pssd out & wokn up in hspitl havng nt remmbrd mch lke @AgiliteBuster2k bt thn thre r ppl lke @tiredquail whse exprnce snds v frghtnng

Thread 'I took SN on April 30 2022' https://sanctioned-suicide.org/threads/i-took-sn-on-april-30-2022.91966/
And TiredQuail was aware and could feel some things but didn't describe "pain" as such. She had to take special effort to be able to "feel" her finger to move it. She didn't know her hand had fallen off the table until someone picked it back up. [I don't want to bother her by quizzing her since she is trying to recover now.]
 
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Shu

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Thank you everyone for taking the time to respond I really appreciate it. It's also got me wondering since the nitric oxide protects your brain for a short amount of time against brain damage if we will actually experience pain during that time that we are unconscious. I don't know anymore but it's something that some if us will find out when the time comes..
 
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Deleted my last post as it was too irrelevant to the topic at hand. (sort of)

There are different levels of consciousness especially within anesthesiology. Regarding SN this is actually one of the reasons I am unsure on taking it. The brain is last to go (someone correct me if I'm wrong) so you can assume there will be some form of discomforting experience to it. However anecdotal reports on here have stated they recall waking up in hospital with no memory after the SN. I'd probably guess they did experience something but the memory of it vanished later though that is just speculation.
I agree with the different levels of consciousness, I have awoken on the surgery table, sat up and pulled the breathing tube out, because I am a redhead and apparently we need more anesthesia to stay under.
My last suicide attempt, which was over about 17 years ago, I ground two full large bottle of benedryl up and mixed them with rootbeer, did not throw up, went to bed and awoke to music playing, (in this apartment, the phone rang and no one was there, lights turned themselves on and off, and the stereo turned itself on and off all the time and would even change stations on it's own, but I had unplugged it before I took the overdose, it was still unplugged, but music was still playing from the speakers), I remember partying with the fairies, that lived in my apartment, I served them butter, they like butter. Then, my now father in law, who, at the time I had never met, came and danced with me and told me to hold on, his son needed me. I remember the paramedics being there, have no idea how they got in, I could not have let them in as I had thrown the keys out the window prior to taking the od, I heard them talking on the radio that my pupils had no response, that I had no pain response when they place an IV in my arm, but I was still breathing shallow breaths on my own. I was totally aware of everything they were doing to me, but I could not respond and could not get my body to respond to my desire to get away from them, I was aware of everything, but was not able to respond for almost 24 hours.
So yes, there ARE different levels of consciousness and yes, you CAN be fully aware of what is happening to you and be completely unable to respond in any way to even let anyone know you are in there.
THIS, is why it has been over 17 years since my last attempt.
 
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I know! That's what I meant by all those times I said, I was scared of being put in a nightmare kind of dream, because I've had dreams translate pain from life. Totally can happen. And totally freaked out by it too. That's what makes me scared. What is my consciousness going to be doing, and where will I be going. Will my guilt over my entire life play a role and plunge me into a hell of it's choosing? Or I've had dreams where I was at a job working my ass off as people are being filed into booths, and I get stressed about the drink orders etc., is it going to be that? Of course while you are dreaming, Cut.....ok that's a rap". This is what has me afraid of taking my SN. The other night I had a dream I was in a rather large airplane, and I couldn't breath in the dream (and I felt the suffocation for real), there was some kind of problem and I was trying to tell people that they needed to wear their mask for oxygen. All while I suffocated too, and I really couldn't fucking breath. Then I woke up. Oh yeah, then theres the dreams where you are a passenger in a vehicle, it could be a bus, train...and you start worrying it's going to go out of control as it begins to just as you wake up.
What you are describing scares me a lot. The way I cope with this is that I think no matter how I die ("natural" causes, N, or SN), I will experience different levels of consciousness as I die over minutes to hours. Even if I have N at my disposal (which I don't), in my mind I could be in a really anxious/negative state, and that might cause me to have very distressing/uncomfortable/painful experiences while unconscious, just like how physical pain from any method (or from an illness like cancer) could trigger the same.

Having experienced different levels of consciousness in my past, I know that time stops existing at a certain point (just like it sometimes stops existing in dreams), so we can 'feel' a state persist for a very long period of time even if it's just a few seconds. What I take from this is that when I get ready to CTB, I need to make sure I'm in a calm, peaceful state of mind. I also need to learn to deal with pain (physical and emotional) so that I can maintain this peace of mind as my body dies. In a way, I'm "lucky" that I have a chronic illness that lets me experience very significant physical pain occasionally, and recently I've used those opportunities to sit with the pain and learn to maintain a peaceful state of mind while I'm letting it run its course. I think it's good "practice" for CTB or "natural" death.
 
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Judy Garland

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I agree with the different levels of consciousness, I have awoken on the surgery table, sat up and pulled the breathing tube out, because I am a redhead and apparently we need more anesthesia to stay under.
My last suicide attempt, which was over about 17 years ago, I ground two full large bottle of benedryl up and mixed them with rootbeer, did not throw up, went to bed and awoke to music playing, (in this apartment, the phone rang and no one was there, lights turned themselves on and off, and the stereo turned itself on and off all the time and would even change stations on it's own, but I had unplugged it before I took the overdose, it was still unplugged, but music was still playing from the speakers), I remember partying with the fairies, that lived in my apartment, I served them butter, they like butter. Then, my now father in law, who, at the time I had never met, came and danced with me and told me to hold on, his son needed me. I remember the paramedics being there, have no idea how they got in, I could not have let them in as I had thrown the keys out the window prior to taking the od, I heard them talking on the radio that my pupils had no response, that I had no pain response when they place an IV in my arm, but I was still breathing shallow breaths on my own. I was totally aware of everything they were doing to me, but I could not respond and could not get my body to respond to my desire to get away from them, I was aware of everything, but was not able to respond for almost 24 hours.
So yes, there ARE different levels of consciousness and yes, you CAN be fully aware of what is happening to you and be completely unable to respond in any way to even let anyone know you are in there.
THIS, is why it has been over 17 years since my last attempt.
Yup, that's why I've been worried about my consciousness and what it would be doing. That's what I'm afraid of with SN.
 
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Ta555

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I went into my notes and it seems like it's possible I remembered it wrong. It's not the brain stem it's the spinal cord. This is the quote I have saved in my notes:


So, what causes unconsciousness is when the spinal cord is ripped from the brain.
The thing is that the thread we have about hanging here in SS, it only covers suspension hanging. I am planning to start a topic for full drop hanging, but I will do a bit more research first. I just have so little time unfortunately.
As I mentioned, the term for this is long drop hanging, not full drop hanging. You're going to confuse a lot of people here with your terminology because they'll be thinking of full suspension which is stepping off a chair.
What you are describing scares me a lot. The way I cope with this is that I think no matter how I die ("natural" causes, N, or SN), I will experience different levels of consciousness as I die over minutes to hours. Even if I have N at my disposal (which I don't), in my mind I could be in a really anxious/negative state, and that might cause me to have very distressing/uncomfortable/painful experiences while unconscious, just like how physical pain from any method (or from an illness like cancer) could trigger the same.

Having experienced different levels of consciousness in my past, I know that time stops existing at a certain point (just like it sometimes stops existing in dreams), so we can 'feel' a state persist for a very long period of time even if it's just a few seconds. What I take from this is that when I get ready to CTB, I need to make sure I'm in a calm, peaceful state of mind. I also need to learn to deal with pain (physical and emotional) so that I can maintain this peace of mind as my body dies. In a way, I'm "lucky" that I have a chronic illness that lets me experience very significant physical pain occasionally, and recently I've used those opportunities to sit with the pain and learn to maintain a peaceful state of mind while I'm letting it run its course. I think it's good "practice" for CTB or "natural" death.
What you are saying about N doesn't make sense. There may be different levels of consciousness but not with a substance like N or any anesthetic if you have taken enough.
Of course this person had hallucinations on Benadryl, benadryl is an antihistamine. It just blocks histamine action which makes you super sleepy and sedated but doesn't switch off the brain.
N literally switches your brain off. It depolarises neurones so electrical signals in your body literally stop. N makes it so your neurones can't communicate with each other. This is why you don't dream under anesthetic. Your brain literally cannot communicate.
Do some people wake up from anesthetic? Yeah absolutely, because they weren't given enough for a complete shutdown or their body métabolises it weird, which is extremely rare.
I would strongly encourage you to research the mechanism of action of different drugs and methods because as far as N is concerned you're not going to be conscious, at all. That's the whole point of N.
Just because something like Benadryl and N appear on the surface to do the same thing like put you to sleep, it doesn't tell you anything about how they affect the brain. Benadryl as I said, makes you tired and sedated by blocking histamine. N literally stops communication between neurons by affecting the electrical charge of your cells. You're not sleeping on an overdose of N, you are unconscious. You can't have consciousness without electrical signals.
 
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Alex6216

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I feel that overdosing on SN right will put you either on the highest level of unconsciousness or nearly on that level. One dude here overdosed on SN improperly and he said the hospital trying to save him was more painful than the SN itself, another user here noted that when he took SN he vomitted then blackened out. The only thing one would have to worry about is the rapid heart-beat and urge to vomit
 
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Medicmedic72

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What makes you say this re. oral consumption of SN?
Well shit, I guess that's what I get for having multiple tabs open. Disregard the part about your lungs burning, that was meant for the detergent method.

In my defense, I open enough tabs to satisfy my ADHD mind... which is like watching a Wall Street ticker tape after about 9 at night when my meds are wearing down. Sorry bout that!
 
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Entonces, ¿acabo de enterarme de que aparentemente hay diferentes niveles de inconsciencia? ¿Y aparentemente todavía puedes sentir dolor mientras estás inconsciente?
What kind of unconscious coud nitrogen inhalation causes? A Painful one?