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LaughingandSmiling

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May 12, 2018
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I’m sixteen, suicidal, and have been that way for over a year.

Do you believe I have the right to die?

Do you approve of myself and fellow teens gathering information and methods through this website?

Is teen suicide any different than that of other age groups?

I’d like your thoughts.
 
DondeEsta

DondeEsta

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Aug 11, 2018
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You have the right to die. Teen suicide is unique because teens are unique, not only in their stage of development but also the social pressures that govern the world they live in. I hope you don't mind me stating the obvious: teenagers are less intelligent than adults and interact with less intelligent people. You are unable to, from an adult's perspective, make a completely rational decision about whether or not to end your life. That said, I would argue that you still have the right to die. Why should it matter if your conclusions aren't completely rational? It is your personal experiences, and your suffering, that matters in this case. If that suffering is derived from nonsense, you may look delusional to the rest of us, but that doesn't invalidate your legitimate want to make it end.
 
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Strumgewehr

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I’m sixteen, suicidal, and have been that way for over a year.

Do you believe I have the right to die?

Do you approve of myself and fellow teens gathering information and methods through this website?

Is teen suicide any different than that of other age groups?

I’d like your thoughts.
Should you have the right to KYS?
Depends

Do you you have the right to KYS?
As for now, non of us do.
 
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Morning Angel

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Aug 8, 2018
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So I know I'm going to get skewered for chiming in on this but it is a personal bias I honestly have and I'm sure I'm not the only one with it. I have a hard time sanctioning self-deliverance for teenagers, because their reasons for wanting to go are often times (but not always) based on problems that are transient and can improve with time. I have many times read on SS about teens who want to leave because of a breakup, loneliness, grades, body dysmorphia, being a virgin, being ugly. The feelings around the despair, isolation, and pain is very real and just because you're young doesn't mean your pain means any less.

But... What I have a hard time with is that developmentally speaking, you're still an adolescent until you're in your 20's. Your brain is still developing (barring any neurodegenerative issue) and things along the lines of emotional regulation, critical thinking, self identity are still developing. And there hasn't been a lot of time to measure any real progress. I think that's why people don't think a teenager can make a rational decision around self-deliverance. I do think that teens deserve a forum to talk about their suicidal thoughts like anyone else and have a safe space; ambivalent about whether it should be mixed with adults though.

I do think children and adolescents with terminal or incurable diseases should unilaterally be able to qualify for doctor assisted, regardless of whatever the fuck their parents think.
 
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Morning Angel

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Aug 8, 2018
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So what are you trying to say? I really am trying to understand your rational. I'm not aiming to offend. So are you saying that if you're a teen and you're suffering you should be able to have a right to die no matter what? And why?
 
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NoLifeNoPain

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So what are you trying to say? I really am trying to understand your rational. I'm not aiming to offend. So are you saying that if you're a teen and you're suffering you should be able to have a right to die no matter what?
I'm saying that suicide is neither rational, nor irrational, it's a personal thing and only the individual should have the right to choose based on his experiences. If you think one can improve his life that's your opinion, not a fact.
 
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Morning Angel

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Aug 8, 2018
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I'm saying that suicide is neither rational, nor irrational, it's a personal thing and only the individual should have the right to choose based on his experiences. If you think one can improve his life that's your opinion, not a fact.
Well, the op didn't ask about suicide as a whole but right to die. I interpreted that to mean something in the form of euthanasia for teens, but maybe I didn't quite understand. The rationale behind euthanasia is that one has a condition that is untreatable, hasn't improved with any intervention, and is likely going to lead to a low quality of life or death. That would extend to mental health treatment. If you're a teenager and you've had less than a year of treatment, can you honestly say that is a reasonable amount of time for you to determine whether you should die? Even in Belgium, doctors require 2 years of ongoing treatment and meds before allowing death with dignity.
 
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NoLifeNoPain

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Well, the op didn't ask about suicide as a whole but right to die. I interpreted that to mean something in the form of euthanasia for teens, but maybe I didn't quite understand. The rationale behind euthanasia is that one has a condition that is untreatable, hasn't improved with any intervention, and is likely going to lead to a low quality of life or death. That would extend to mental health treatment. If you're a teenager and you've had less than a year of treatment, can you honestly say that is a reasonable amount of time for you to determine whether you should die? Even in Belgium, doctors require 2 years of ongoing treatment and meds before allowing death with dignity.
What if someone doesn't want to wait the time it takes to "create a happy life"? What if you don't care about being happy, crazy right?
 
DondeEsta

DondeEsta

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Aug 11, 2018
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So I know I'm going to get skewered for chiming in on this but it is a personal bias I honestly have and I'm sure I'm not the only one with it. I have a hard time sanctioning self-deliverance for teenagers, because their reasons for wanting to go are often times (but not always) based on problems that are transient and can improve with time. I have many times read on SS about teens who want to leave because of a breakup, loneliness, grades, body dysmorphia, being a virgin, being ugly. The feelings around the despair, isolation, and pain is very real and just because you're young doesn't mean your pain means any less.

But... What I have a hard time with is that developmentally speaking, you're still an adolescent until you're in your 20's. Your brain is still developing (barring any neurodegenerative issue) and things along the lines of emotional regulation, critical thinking, self identity are still developing. And there hasn't been a lot of time to measure any real progress. I think that's why people don't think a teenager can make a rational decision around self-deliverance. I do think that teens deserve a forum to talk about their suicidal thoughts like anyone else and have a safe space; ambivalent about whether it should be mixed with adults though.

I completely agree that teenagers cannot make a rational decision on the subject. Their problems are often solvable, inconsequential, or just trivial. My point is that it doesn't matter. Consider how many poor people think they could alleviate their problems with money. There's clearly an upper limit to that, since even the rich feel stress and unhappiness. Even though the woes of the rich can seem laughable to poor people, there's no denying that the rich feel them as very real. The same goes for teenagers.
 
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Morning Angel

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Aug 8, 2018
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I understand and appreciate your well measured reply. I do think there are some ethical implication in letting teens talk with adults (sometimes much older adults) about methods and practical matters in planning this. But really, it is irrelevant because we are all subjected to secrecy in our thoughts and plans. Should teens be denied the right to get support around their suicidal thoughts? I don't think so. They deserve a space too.
 
DondeEsta

DondeEsta

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Aug 11, 2018
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I understand and appreciate your well measured reply. I do think there are some ethical implication in letting teens talk with adults (sometimes much older adults) about methods and practical matters in planning this. But really, it is irrelevant because we are all subjected to secrecy in our thoughts and plans. Should teens be denied the right to get support around their thoughts? I don't think so. They deserve a space too.

Hmmmm. I'm almost inclined to say that teens should be talking to adults, ethics aside. After all, suicide is a teen's decision to never become an adult. They need to get both ages' perspectives.
 
Tiburcio

Tiburcio

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May 9, 2018
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Yes.

Absolutely.

It's YOUR life and teenagers can have suffer too. They should be able to kill themselves if they want. And if people would stop putting caps and refusing this idea this unnecesary doubts would dissapear.

"Oh but life can change, things will be different" yeah sure, tell me how rainbow colored is now your life. Remember you are in a suicide forum after all.
Waiting is somply unnecesary. You saw no solution or no exit way, then why endure? And even if there is it, life is not so good it's terrible for enduring with all this.


So yeah you are in your right, if you want to do it, you should be able to do it.
 
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Luke

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Apr 11, 2018
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I’m sixteen, suicidal, and have been that way for over a year.

Do you believe I have the right to die?

Do you approve of myself and fellow teens gathering information and methods through this website?

Is teen suicide any different than that of other age groups?

I’d like your thoughts.

At 16 you're perfectly capable of knowing what you want.
 
NoLifeNoPain

NoLifeNoPain

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Jun 17, 2018
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Tiburcio is right
Yes.

Absolutely.

It's YOUR life and teenagers can have suffer too. They should be able to kill themselves if they want. And if people would stop putting caps and refusing this idea this unnecesary doubts would dissapear.

"Oh but life can change, things will be different" yeah sure, tell me how rainbow colored is now your life. Remember you are in a suicide forum after all.
Waiting is somply unnecesary. You saw no solution or no exit way, then why endure? And even if there is it, life is not so good it's terrible for enduring with all this.


So yeah you are in your right, if you want to do it, you should be able to do it.
They usually think that a teenager is stupid because he doesn't know that if he waits he'll get to experience happy moments in his life and his suffering is temporary, but that's not the point. I hate waking up in the morning, going to school and everything that you can't avoid in life, that's the point. I don't want to kill myself because of the suffering, sure that reinforces my reason, but the point is life itself is the problem. They could say drink something or go to a party and you'll change your opinion. Yeah I got it, you get dopamine after the boredom and the pain if you wait, who cares I still want to kill myself.
 
DondeEsta

DondeEsta

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Aug 11, 2018
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Tiburcio is right

They usually think that a teenager is stupid because he doesn't know that if he waits he'll get to experience happy moments in his life and his suffering is temporary, but that's not the point. I hate waking up in the morning, going to school and everything that you can't avoid in life, that's the point. I don't want to kill myself because of the suffering, sure that reinforces my reason, but the point is life itself is the problem. They could say drink something or go to a party and you'll change your opinion. Yeah I got it, you get dopamine after the boredom and the pain if you wait, who cares I still want to kill myself.
I think that when people reference all the great experiences teenagers will miss out on, they fail to mention the shitty life that surrounds those few amazing moments.
 
NoLifeNoPain

NoLifeNoPain

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Jun 17, 2018
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I think that when people reference all the great experiences teenagers will miss out on, they fail to mention the shitty life that surrounds those few amazing moments.
Yeah. C'mon man you can't kill yourself, you'll miss sex, and parties, and having your own home! No thank you, I still want to die.
 
DondeEsta

DondeEsta

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Aug 11, 2018
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Yeah. C'mon man you can't kill yourself, you'll miss sex, and parties, and having your own home! No thank you, I still want to die.
It's as simple as reading between the lines. I'll miss out on having my own home? If you ask any homeowner about that in any other context, you won't get such a positive outlook. You're more likely to hear about the struggle of buying a house, and of moving, and of the familial pressure to own one. People will only tell the truth when they feel comfortable in doing so.
 
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lv-gras

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Jul 27, 2018
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Yes.

although bear in mind that once you are an adult it does give you more rights and options and things may change. because we don’t treat teenagers right and basically give others say over them they shouldn’t have. so it might be worth trying to see if that changes things.

but yes.
 
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NoLifeNoPain

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Jun 17, 2018
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You're an adult when your body is ready to reproduce not when society tells you. Can you masturbate? Congratulations you're not a little boy anymore. Are you still naive and stupid? Maybe. I don't know you. But most "real" adults are stupid too, they get drunk while driving, they beat their wives and children and so on.
 
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NoLifeNoPain

Dinosaur
Jun 17, 2018
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Age should not matter in the decision of suicide. If someone is 10 years old, and is blind and deaf, well, why should they not end it? The post I made below in another thread should be your criteria whether you are 16 or 60.

I hope this helps!
I hate life because being a living organism sucks. In what category would you put me smarty pants? :tongue:
 
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LoverofDeath

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Aug 11, 2018
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I’m sixteen, suicidal, and have been that way for over a year.

Do you believe I have the right to die?

Do you approve of myself and fellow teens gathering information and methods through this website?

Is teen suicide any different than that of other age groups?

I’d like your thoughts.

Yes of course, it's your life and you have the right to end it.
 
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lv-gras

fledermausßßßßßßßß
Jul 27, 2018
621
Age should not matter in the decision of suicide. If someone is 10 years old, and is blind and deaf, well, why should they not end it? The post I made below in another thread should be your criteria whether you are 16 or 60.

I hope this helps!

Agree mostly.

But being blind or deaf or both doesn’t by itself necessarily lead to wanting to ctb or a bad life. especially if born with that.