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Sixteen months ago I bought a pistol at a small, privately owned gun shop in a US state where restrictions are minimal.. The background check took about 15 minutes, was done while I waited.

Four months ago, I bought a second pistol at the same shop. The BG check took three days. I paid for the gun up front because I didn't want there to be any problem, like maybe it may be sold to someone else?

A month ago, I bought a third one, at a different privately owned store, same state. The BG check took four hours. Again, I paid for it up front.

I have never been in trouble with the law except for a couple of speeding tickets. I have never been diagnosed or treated for a mental illness, alcohol or drug abuse. I know what not to say to health care providers so did not need to lie on the form. Would I lie if necessary? I don't know. Maybe.

As for a Canadian crossing over to the US to buy a gun, how difficult would it be to cross back into Canada with it?
Do you know for Academy Sports specifically (if you're familiar with the store chain) whether you have to pay up front before the BG check?
 
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I'm sorry, I don't know. I am familiar with Academy but haven't been to one in years. I live in a rural community and buy from mom and pop owned businesses because that is all that's here.

And...the service is outstanding!
 
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I'm sorry, I don't know. I am familiar with Academy but haven't been to one in years. I live in a rural community and buy from mom and pop owned businesses because that is all that's here.

And...the service is outstanding!
Yes, most of the time (at least from my experiences) mom and pop owned businesses tend to be closer and friendlier as well as having less corporate hoops to jump through as compared to big-box retail chains. Furthermore, I believe there are more owners that not only know more about firearms in general, but are also more passionate about the hobby itself, so that's a plus.
 
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I have to go with a muzzleloader since I can't purchase a regular gun. As a person with limited funds, I need something both affordable and able to pull off a single fatal head shot for ctb purposes.

What kind should I get? What about the powder and ammo for muzzleloaders?
 
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I’ve been having doubts again.. damnit. I’m still definitely using a shotgun but I can’t choose between a slug or buckshot. I’ve already narrowed it down to the two but I can’t be sure what to use. The most common rounds I’m seeing are 2 3/4 but the shotgun I’m looking at fires 3 inch the best for some reason. I’m only worried about slugs because they could mushroom, or just go through something without causing enough damage. From ballistics tests I’ve seen that slugs have way more kinetic energy than buckshot, in the 900’s compared to the little ones. But it’s only one wound. Would a slug blow the head apart or..?
 
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I’ve been having doubts again.. damnit. I’m still definitely using a shotgun but I can’t choose between a slug or buckshot. I’ve already narrowed it down to the two but I can’t be sure what to use. The most common rounds I’m seeing are 2 3/4 but the shotgun I’m looking at fires 3 inch the best for some reason. I’m only worried about slugs because they could mushroom, or just go through something without causing enough damage. From ballistics tests I’ve seen that slugs have way more kinetic energy than buckshot, in the 900’s compared to the little ones. But it’s only one wound. Would a slug blow the head apart or..?
The shotgun can fire up to a 3" round. Smaller will also work. For what you're planning, the difference between a 2.75" and 3" is inconsequential.

If you want a 3" slug, look for these: https://www.runnings.com/rem-slug-slugger-rifled-12ga-3-1oz-s12mrs.html
 
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Yeah. Thank you though. I just can’t decide betweeen those two lol. There isn’t much of a difference I would hope.
NP. Also, if you haven't shot the 3" slugs before, your shoulder is going to get a nice bruise. If you're using a pistol grip, sore wrist. These kick hard, in a different way than bird or 00 buck.
 
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NP. Also, if you haven't shot the 3" slugs before, your shoulder is going to get a nice bruise. If you're using a pistol grip, sore wrist. These kick hard, in a different way than bird or 00 buck.
As I've heard, heh. I haven't shot one in awhile so it will be quite the surprise.
 
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Purchased a handgun today!! I've literally never even TOUCHED a gun before, so it felt really weird being like "I want this!" but I went with a friend (who didn't know my true intentions, but did say "I don't trust you with a gun....") but the guy at the shop was REALLY kind to me and totally okay with how much of a n00b I was! I feel like most people shouldn't be too afraid of going into stores like that, even if they've never handled a gun before because store employees are happy to show you the ropes and get you excited about their passions!

It's a 9mm Glock, I did buy some bullets, but they're not hollow point so I'll probably order some of those online. These will just be for testing and having some fun before I go. I know everyone is like "buy one with a HUGE caliber" but those are kinda harder to come by rn, and the guy who was helping me out insisted I start off with the "Honda civic" as he called it, instead of getting something super expensive to start with. I'm sure it'll be plenty lethal enough. I'm fortunate enough to live VERY close to extreme wilderness where I likely wont be found for several days, so I dont need to be worry about being "saved"
Now here's hoping I can pass the background check... should be okay, although I did get placed in a psych ward when I was a minor because my parents found out about a suicide attempt.
 
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Purchased a handgun today!! I've literally never even TOUCHED a gun before, so it felt really weird being like "I want this!" but I went with a friend (who didn't know my true intentions, but did say "I don't trust you with a gun....") but the guy at the shop was REALLY kind to me and totally okay with how much of a n00b I was! I feel like most people shouldn't be too afraid of going into stores like that, even if they've never handled a gun before because store employees are happy to show you the ropes and get you excited about their passions!

It's a 9mm Glock, I did buy some bullets, but they're not hollow point so I'll probably order some of those online. These will just be for testing and having some fun before I go. I know everyone is like "buy one with a HUGE caliber" but those are kinda harder to come by rn, and the guy who was helping me out insisted I start off with the "Honda civic" as he called it, instead of getting something super expensive to start with. I'm sure it'll be plenty lethal enough. I'm fortunate enough to live VERY close to extreme wilderness where I likely wont be found for several days, so I dont need to be worry about being "saved"
Now here's hoping I can pass the background check... should be okay, although I did get placed in a psych ward when I was a minor because my parents found out about a suicide attempt.
Oh dang. Here gun laws are pretty tight but, my only visit was self-committed, because I was asked if I wanted to be voluntarily committed.
I wish the best for you friend, whether or not you do, you deserve your peace.
 
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Hey sorry if I sound stupid or maybe I misunderstood but you said that In California you can or cannot buy a gun? I’m currently in California and I’m thinking of methods but I’m not sure if I’m just misreading
 
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Hey sorry if I sound stupid or maybe I misunderstood but you said that In California you can or cannot buy a gun? I’m currently in California and I’m thinking of methods but I’m not sure if I’m just misreading
You can definitely buy guns in CA, but some are harder to get your hands on. A lot of restrictions.
 
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Is my question that stupid? I just wanted to know how reliable black powder guns were compared to modern guns
Not a stupid question here. I'm no expert but with the right load it should be just as powerful, if not more powerful than most firearms today.
I mean there's not much of a difference but the mechanisms for firing the round.
For me I'm going with buckshot, which is a larger version of birdshot, this can be simulated in a blackpowder rifle.
 
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Thank you for your answer.
Would be something similar to this basically. Buckshot is way too expensive, hard to cover and explain. While revolver such as this one is pretty cool to be honnest. I don't know anything about weaponry, but those were used during civil war, should be at least deadly right? Caliber's name is .44.
It might cause more bleeding than trauma if I have to be honest, which is why I prefer more modern loads. But this is a pretty sizable round.
 
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Let's wait if someone else have more details about it. I also looked for videos including that type of gun but couldn't find any. Specific documentation is also rare, i only heard two occurence. A historian named Iris Chang seemed to have used a black powder gun but not details about any agonising. Lincoln on the other hand took a very, very long time to die out of a shot to the head. It was a smaller round though. The OP quoted black powder so my guess is that it still works pretty well.
True, lincoln was shot in a good place, well, "good", but it was a smaller caliber.
 
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and speaking of failures of putting the gun in one's mouth, the Boston Bomber failed when he did that and tried to kill himself.. he aimed too low, and the bullet just went out the back of his neck, under the brain stem... and he also missed his spinal cord
no, that was shrapnel damage. he was unarmed
 
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Quick range report update. I have a binary trigger in my AR. It allows for one shot on the trigger pull, and one on release. Basically every shot is a double tap. I can confirm that no matter how much I tried to get the system to not function (limp wrist, various trigger pull techniques), two shots were always fired.

This may be an option for people who want a little extra insurance that they will CTB by firearm. I would say that two .223\5.56 rounds in the mouth would do the trick. It did take quite a bit of experimenting with various parts to get the binary to function 100% of the time. PM me if you want exact details of my setup.

Here's a quick video of a binary trigger in action. They can shoot faster than a full-auto AR:
 
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It seems like aiming for the "t box" is supposed to be the most lethal (when targeting someone else).


Would this still be the best place to aim on yourself? Doesn't seem like a common technique, but maybe it would be ideal to travel through and hit the brainstem.
 
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It seems like aiming for the "t box" is supposed to be the most lethal (when targeting someone else).


Would this still be the best place to aim on yourself? Doesn't seem like a common technique, but maybe it would be ideal to travel through and hit the brainstem.
With the caliber of rifles they are using (min of 7.62), the trauma alone will kill you. Don't need to hit the brain stem. Think about it, a 50bmg round would kill you instantly with a shot to the abdomen.
 
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With the caliber of rifles they are using (min of 7.62), the trauma alone will kill you. Don't need to hit the brain stem. Think about it, a 50bmg round would kill you instantly with a shot to the abdomen.
Yes, it's a common misconception that I hear all too often. If anything you want to aim above the brain stem honestly, that's where most of the "general consciousness" lies. I've seen different suicides from an array of firearms and calibers and definitely 7.62 x 39 will do you in with one shot.
You are right about the trauma too.
 
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With the caliber of rifles they are using (min of 7.62), the trauma alone will kill you. Don't need to hit the brain stem. Think about it, a 50bmg round would kill you instantly with a shot to the abdomen.
I have a 9mm so have more of a need to optimize the area that's directly hit.
Yes, it's a common misconception that I hear all too often. If anything you want to aim above the brain stem honestly, that's where most of the "general consciousness" lies. I've seen different suicides from an array of firearms and calibers and definitely 7.62 x 39 will do you in with one shot.
You are right about the trauma too.

I was under the impression it was best to take out the brainstem, which would shutdown breathing and heart beat immediately. The general consciousness areas often can take a bullet without the person dying, but instead losing cognitive function.
 
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I have a 9mm so have more of a need to optimize the area that's directly hit.


I was under the impression it was best to take out the brainstem, which would shutdown breathing and heart beat immediately. The general consciousness areas often can take a bullet without the person dying, but instead losing cognitive function.
Well.. that's "death", death. Real death is brain death, which would be most of everything besides the brain stem, the brain stem regulates important processes of course like in and out messages, and controls all the lower body functions below the brain, eg. primative functions.
If the heart is still beating, it doesn't mean the person is alive, so to speak.

Because while certain key areas of the brain could be hit and mean brain death follows, the brain is still multiple functions all working together at once.

Where you place the bullet of course matters A LOT, like a lot of people have said there is a lot of variables that need mentioning. Although doctors and mortician professionals would argue that intra-oral have the least likely chance of failing, I would imagine any placement of a shotgun against the forehead would assure everything would be destroyed, as long as it is front to back, or back to front, pointed down.
 
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Well.. that's "death", death. Real death is brain death, which would be most of everything besides the brain stem, the brain stem regulates important processes of course like in and out messages, and controls all the lower body functions below the brain, eg. primative functions.
If the heart is still beating, it doesn't mean the person is alive, so to speak.

Because while certain key areas of the brain could be hit and mean brain death follows, the brain is still multiple functions all working together at once.

Where you place the bullet of course matters A LOT, like a lot of people have said there is a lot of variables that need mentioning. Although doctors and mortician professionals would argue that intra-oral have the least likely chance of failing, I would imagine any placement of a shotgun against the forehead would assure everything would be destroyed, as long as it is front to back, or back to front, pointed down.
I understood from most of the previous replies and linked articles that if you miss the brain stem and only hit parts of your brain, then that doesn't guarantee death. The brain can keep functioning even if parts of the brain have been damaged aka continue living as a vegetable. However, the likelihood of dying is still great because you'll still most likely die from bleeding out, but it's just not guaranteed which it is if you hit the brain stem. At least that's how I have understood the previous replies in this topic.
 
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I understood from most of the previous replies and linked articles that if you miss the brain stem and only hit parts of your brain, then that doesn't guarantee death. The brain can keep functioning even if parts of the brain have been damaged aka continue living as a vegetable. However, the likelihood of dying is still great because you'll still most likely die from bleeding out, but it's just not guaranteed which it is if you hit the brain stem. At least that's how I have understood the previous replies in this topic.
Yes, while most parts of the brain can remain damaged and the person will live, a missing brain stem assures death, but does not mean it is instant.
I mean in reality, place a shotgun in your mouth and your entire brain will be gone, no aiming required.
 
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I think this method sounds the best out of all ctb methods, because like Kat described, even if it's technically not instant death, it kind of is because you've lost your consciousness the moment you pulled the trigger and won't get it back before you're truly dead. With other methods, there's at minimum a few seconds of struggle (physical and mental or only mental struggle).

But it's difficult to acquire a gun outside of USA, so if someone were to take a vacation to USA so they can find a shotgun which they can purchase, how would they go about it? I don't think there's any legal way? Someone suggested crafting your own shotgun, and that's a good suggestion I suppose, but you still need the ammo. It also seems a bit risky to attempt crafting your own shotgun and ammo because of mechanical failures. So, I wonder how difficult it might be to find a vendor who don't require you to do any paperwork in order to purchase the shotgun and ammo? Does anyone here know how someone would find a vendor like that? Where to look and what to ask to make sure you're talking to the right type of vendor?
 
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My chosen method Ruger P89DC 9mm, with 147 grain hollow point bullet. I've had "plan B" for decades, just never acted out on it. Been a very shitty year for me. Going through a divorce around the holidays and living by myself. With nothing but the thoughts in your head.
 

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