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nolifer said:
I think this method sounds the best out of all ctb methods, because like Kat described, even if it's technically not instant death, it kind of is because you've lost your consciousness the moment you pulled the trigger and won't get it back before you're truly dead. With other methods, there's at minimum a few seconds of struggle (physical and mental or only mental struggle).

But it's difficult to acquire a gun outside of USA, so if someone were to take a vacation to USA so they can find a shotgun which they can purchase, how would they go about it? I don't think there's any legal way? Someone suggested crafting your own shotgun, and that's a good suggestion I suppose, but you still need the ammo. It also seems a bit risky to attempt crafting your own shotgun and ammo because of mechanical failures. So, I wonder how difficult it might be to find a vendor who don't require you to do any paperwork in order to purchase the shotgun and ammo? Does anyone here know how someone would find a vendor like that? Where to look and what to ask to make sure you're talking to the right type of vendor?
Yeah it really is the most solid method for US people.
I was actually going to post about making your own single-shot shotgun but I deleted it. I'm worried about over pressurization issues, because guns are crafted out of certain metals and all, you could end up just blowing the barrel apart and leaving yourself with a nasty wound.
Other than this, outside the US, SN is another option for those willing.
 
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MrOptions said:
My chosen method Ruger P89DC 9mm, with 147 grain hollow point bullet. I've had "plan B" for decades, just never acted out on it. Been a very shitty year for me. Going through a divorce around the holidays and living by myself. With nothing but the thoughts in your head.
Nice looking gun! Is this perhaps Hornady XTP ammo? If so, I'd recommend Speer Gold Dots or Underwood XDs (+P or +P+).
 
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Is there any site to buy weapons with export to any part of the world?
 
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nolifer said:
I think this method sounds the best out of all ctb methods, because like Kat described, even if it's technically not instant death, it kind of is because you've lost your consciousness the moment you pulled the trigger and won't get it back before you're truly dead. With other methods, there's at minimum a few seconds of struggle (physical and mental or only mental struggle).

But it's difficult to acquire a gun outside of USA, so if someone were to take a vacation to USA so they can find a shotgun which they can purchase, how would they go about it? I don't think there's any legal way? Someone suggested crafting your own shotgun, and that's a good suggestion I suppose, but you still need the ammo. It also seems a bit risky to attempt crafting your own shotgun and ammo because of mechanical failures. So, I wonder how difficult it might be to find a vendor who don't require you to do any paperwork in order to purchase the shotgun and ammo? Does anyone here know how someone would find a vendor like that? Where to look and what to ask to make sure you're talking to the right type of vendor?

Probably the easiest way for a non resident of the US to get their hands on a gun would be to rent one at a shooting range.
The laws are a bit odd but basically if you are from a country that doesn't need a visa to visit the US, you can legally rent a gun at a range:


Hopefully you would not subject the poor range to a hazmat cleanup by killing yourself indoors. You could just run outside with the gun and shoot yourself in the parking lot or something. Not the ideal or most peaceful way to go, with range people chasing you no doubt. But if you really wanted to go by gun and were determined it would be doable.
 
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@greyhound renting a gun is absolutely NOT the way to go about it. Try to leave the range with it, and you WILL get arrested. I have been to many ranges, and all are designed where leaving is not a straight run out. Please don't give this advice. You are telling people to commit a crime, and potentially put random people at risk if shots get fired.

You can PM me for a much less risky method of acquiring guns in the US. Not just going to post it though.
 
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@greyhound renting a gun is absolutely NOT the way to go about it. Try to leave the range with it, and you WILL get arrested. I have been to many ranges, and all are designed where leaving is not a straight run out. Please don't give this advice. You are telling people to commit a crime, and potentially put random people at risk if shots get fired.

You can PM me for a much less risky method of acquiring guns in the US. Not just going to post it though.

I'm not telling anyone to do anything, just saying that this would probably be the quickest way for a foreigner to CTB by gun if in the US.

I don't have this problem as I own a gun myself. I've been to ranges and it's not like they have to buzz you out or anything. It would be actually quite easy to leave with a gun, probably without them even noticing in some cases. Generally the main deterrent to prevent you doing this is them holding onto your ID.

I also find it somewhat amusing that people on here are always like 'omg you could get arrested!!' I see this also in discussions around trying to acquire opiates or N. I think this sort of illustrates how many people on here are not really that suicidal. If genuinely suicidal the threat of arrest shouldn't be weighing on someone's mind very heavily.
 
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greyhound said:
I'm not telling anyone to do anything, just saying that this would probably be the quickest way for a foreigner to CTB by gun if in the US.

I don't have this problem as I own a gun myself. I've been to ranges and it's not like they have to buzz you out or anything. It would be actually quite easy to leave with a gun, probably without them even noticing in some cases. Generally the main deterrent to prevent you doing this is them holding onto your ID.

I also find it somewhat amusing that people on here are always like 'omg you could get arrested!!' I see this also in discussions around trying to acquire opiates or N. I think this sort of illustrates how many people on here are not really that suicidal. If genuinely suicidal the threat of arrest shouldn't be weighing on someone's mind very heavily.
one could also do it on the gun range. and i think this is more for people with suicidal ideation. depending on your definition of "really suicidal," anyone who is really suicidal wouldn't be on here because they'd already be dead.

arrest can be a legitimate worry. you can be put on suicide watch in jail / prison and have fewer methods at your disposal
 
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F_Alonso said:
Nice looking gun! Is this perhaps Hornady XTP ammo? If so, I'd recommend Speer Gold Dots or Underwood XDs (+P or +P+).
Underwood +P+ only the best will do.
 
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MrOptions said:
Underwood +P+ only the best will do.
So, it's a Speer Gold Dot bullet loaded by Underwood. Good choice! Better be sure than sorry.
 
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I think I read that it's a 95% chance to succeed with a shotgun (statistically), but is there any statistic on how many of those suicides were able to hit the brain stem? Because as I understand, it's not as reliable if you miss it, because even if you still die from bleeding, it sounds like there is a possibility of suffering from great pain before you die if you miss the stem. And that's what we're trying to accomplish, an immediate and painless death. If just as a rough example, half of those successful suicides missed the brain stem and died a painful death instead, then that changes things.
 
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Nah that's not the reason people really fail.
The brain stem has nothing to do with conscience it's just a communicator, everything above it is what really does the work.
 
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nolifer said:
I think I read that it's a 95% chance to succeed with a shotgun (statistically), but is there any statistic on how many of those suicides were able to hit the brain stem? Because as I understand, it's not as reliable if you miss it, because even if you still die from bleeding, it sounds like there is a possibility of suffering from great pain before you die if you miss the stem. And that's what we're trying to accomplish, an immediate and painless death. If just as a rough example, half of those successful suicides missed the brain stem and died a painful death instead, then that changes things.
Of course, I don't encourage anyone to shoot themselves, but should you decide to go for it, then trust me mate, shotgun/rifle to the soft palate is 100% lethal if your gun or ammo aren't defective. To put it into perspective, a rifle bullet needs about 1 millisecond to leave the barrel, and the brain needs at least 50 milliseconds to react (hear/feel something). So, it's approx. fifty times too slow...
 
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F_Alonso said:
Of course, I don't encourage anyone to shoot themselves, but should you decide to go for it, then trust me mate, shotgun/rifle to the soft palate is 100% lethal if your gun or ammo aren't defective. To put it into perspective, a rifle bullet needs about 1 millisecond to leave the barrel, and the brain needs at least 50 milliseconds to react (hear/feel something). So, it's approx. fifty times too slow...
It's just that I read in the first 15 pages (around that amount) that you have to shoot the brain stem if you want to make it 100% guaranteed and if you want to lose consciousness immediately. It's only in the last couple of pages ITT that I read that it's better to shoot at the brain instead of the brain stem and that it doesn't matter if you miss the brain stem. Or am i misunderstanding the posts in the last couple pages?

Because I don't think most people want just a 95% or 100% guaranteed death if it's going to be a painful death. I think everyone want it to be immediate and painless, and as I've understood in the first 15ish pages ITT, you have to hit the brain stem to accomplish that, otherwise there's a chance you'll have to experience a painful death instead by bleeding out.
 
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nolifer said:
It's just that I read in the first 15 pages (around that amount) that you have to shoot the brain stem if you want to make it 100% guaranteed and if you want to lose consciousness immediately. It's only in the last couple of pages ITT that I read that it's better to shoot at the brain instead of the brain stem and that it doesn't matter if you miss the brain stem. Or am i misunderstanding the posts in the last couple pages?

Because I don't think most people want just a 95% or 100% guaranteed death if it's going to be a painful death. I think everyone want it to be immediate and painless, and as I've understood in the first 15ish pages ITT, you have to hit the brain stem to accomplish that, otherwise there's a chance you'll have to experience a painful death instead by bleeding out.
To experience pain, you have to be conscious. As soon as the bullet hits your head your will lose consciousness and won't feel a thing (hitting any party of the brain will leave you unconscious). Furthermore, as I stated in my previous post, you should aim for the soft palate as the brain stem is behind it. With a shotgun/rifle you don't have to be precise. Just press the muzzle against the soft palate. Even if you miss the brain stem, you will not feel any pain as the shot will obliterate almost your entire brain at once.
 
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To experience pain, you have to be conscious. As soon as the bullet hits your head your will lose consciousness and won't feel a thing (hitting any party of the brain will leave you unconscious). Furthermore, as I stated in my previous post, you should aim for the soft palate as the brain stem is behind it. With a shotgun/rifle you don't have to be precise. Just press the muzzle against the soft palate. Even if you miss the brain stem, you will not feel any pain as the shot will obliterate almost your entire brain at once.
So you are saying that everyone else in the first 15 pages are wrong? Including the credible articles that were linked to? Everyone put a lot of emphathis on the importance of hitting the brain stem. Do you have any sources or something to back up what you're saying when it's in conflict with what has been previously said ITT?
 
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why is the brain stem myth coming backkkk aaaaaa I explained all of this
 
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why is the brain stem myth coming backkkk aaaaaa I explained all of this
It's a little misleading to ask why the brain stem myth is coming back because it was never really gone, and it's not a myth until it has been debunked. You made your explanation on page 20 IIRC, the page before this current one, and before that everyone was saying that it's the brain stem you need to hit, all the way since page 1.

This is extremely important information to get right, otherwise people could end up suffering badly. I also replied to the post where you explained how you think it works, and questioned it because it's in conflict with all the previous posts ITT. And you didn't include any sources or anything to verify what you're saying is true. Everyone else ITT have been saying to hit the brain stem and there have even been links to articles saying the same thing.
 
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It's basic information!!!!! The brain stem does nothing except relay information from the brain and to the body.
The only reason you'd want to aim for it is because it ensures death. You can take out chunks of your brain and still live, but a damaged brain stem is a death sentence.
 
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Kat! said:
It's basic information!!!!! The brain stem does nothing except relay information from the brain and to the body.
The only reason you'd want to aim for it is because it ensures death. You can take out chunks of your brain and still live, but a damaged brain stem is a death sentence.
It's not basic information, plus you are in conflict with what everyone else have been saying, and even articles written on this subject.
You are even saying now that you can take our chunks of your brain and still live, so that's more reason to shoot at the brain stem.

I can also add that the reason why full drop hangings cause immediate unconsciousness is because the drop causes the brain stem to be ripped out from the brain. The damage to the brain stem and the damage caused to the brain when the stem is ripped out is guaranteed to cause immediate unconsciousness 100% of the time. You can verify what I'm saying by reading Wikipedia about hanging. And the reason I'm saying that is to give even more evidence that it's best to shoot the brain stem - it will cause unconsciousness and death, but shooting the brain isn't guaranteed to cause death, which even you have said.
 
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Nah, the brainstem is a bridge, nothing to do with consciousness. Everything above and around it intermingles with the important things.
You could theoretically still be alive and trapped in your brain as you bleed out, if you shoot your brainstem.
 
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nolifer said:
So you are saying that everyone else in the first 15 pages are wrong? Including the credible articles that were linked to? Everyone put a lot of emphathis on the importance of hitting the brain stem. Do you have any sources or something to back up what you're saying when it's in conflict with what has been previously said ITT?
No, I never said that. At the beginning of the thread it was said that one has to use at least a .38 Special round to get the job done. In such a case, it is important to hit the brain stem. On the other hand, I'm talking about long guns that are way more powerful. And even with those, it is the best option to go for the brain stem but, at the same time, missing it won't matter as one will not have any head left following an intra-oral shot with a long gun. To sum up, missing the stem with a weak round from a handgun can leave one alive which isn't the case with hard-hitting shotguns/rifles.
 
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nolifer said:
It's not basic information, plus you are in conflict with what everyone else have been saying, and even articles written on this subject.
You are even saying now that you can take our chunks of your brain and still live, so that's more reason to shoot at the brain stem.

I can also add that the reason why full drop hangings cause immediate unconsciousness is because the drop causes the brain stem to be ripped out from the brain. The damage to the brain stem and the damage caused to the brain when the stem is ripped out is guaranteed to cause immediate unconsciousness 100% of the time. You can verify what I'm saying by reading Wikipedia about hanging. And the reason I'm saying that is to give even more evidence that it's best to shoot the brain stem - it will cause unconsciousness and death, but shooting the brain isn't guaranteed to cause death, which even you have said.
think you are interpreting this all too literally. hitting the brain stem ensures death. you can still survive if you hit other parts of the brain, but it's a very low probability of survival and you will pretty certainly lose consciousness immediately because of the amount of trauma to the brain. with rifles or long shotguns, it doesn't really matter if you hit the stem or not, so long as you aim at the brain (rather than the under-the-chin shot that just removes your face). with a handgun, aiming at the brain stem is more important, especially if it's a 9mm or .22, but you shouldn't be using calibers that small anyway
 
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is .38 good enough for a handgun. Also should I aim behind my ear?
 
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is .38 good enough for a handgun. Also should I aim behind my ear?
I think it could do the job but rather buy 357 mag hollow point. Behind the ear or directly in the ear.
 
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is .38 good enough for a handgun. Also should I aim behind my ear?
@Marauder is right. Go for .357 mag instead of .38 sp. Be sure to buy .357 self-defense or hunting ammo from Underwood or Buffalo Bore. As far as aiming is concerned, shoot behind the ear, directly over the ear, through the ear or better yet through the soft palate with the barrel tilted slightly upwards, pressing the muzzle against the soft palate itself (a 6" barrel would be recommended for this method so that you can see that you're aiming straight). Also, you have to be sure that it is what you want as there is no coming back after you pull the trigger. Think it through carefully...
 
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@Marauder is right. Go for .357 mag instead of .38 sp. Be sure to buy .357 self-defense or hunting ammo from Underwood or Buffalo Bore. As far as aiming is concerned, shoot behind the ear, directly over the ear, through the ear or better yet through the soft palate with the barrel tilted slightly upwards, pressing the muzzle against the soft palate itself (a 6" barrel would be recommended for this method so that you can see that you're aiming straight). Also, you have to be sure that it is what you want as there is no coming back after you pull the trigger. Think it through carefully...
Thanks. I only asked about the 38 because every .357 I look for is sold out and kinda pricey. tbh so many guns are sold out when I look online. Also isn't a 6inch barrel kinda a lot. I'm a noob when it comes to guns. like very little experience. I'm only choosing it because of its reliability with CBT. other methods like pills and rope didn't work for me. please PM me with any more info about type of hollow point.
 
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Don't put .357 rounds in a .38 special. Only a gun made to shoot .357 can shoot .357. The gun could blow up in your hand.
 
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Good4Nothing said:
Don't put .357 rounds in a .38 special. Only a gun made to shoot .357 can shoot .357. The gun could blow up in your hand.
357 cases are a bit too long to fit in 38 chambers for that exact reason ;)
 
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is .38 good enough for a handgun. Also should I aim behind my ear?
It could work, but why chance it? For the price of even the cheapest 38 revolver, you can get a used (or new) highpoint 45, single shot or pump shotgun, or maybe an AR. All three would be much more likely to work, and not leave you a vegetable or disfigured.

Again, behind the ear could work, but in the mouth is more likely to work as intended. It's much easier to gauge your angle in your mouth, as you really only have to worry about the vertical orientation. Behind the ear, you need to make sure your vertical and horizontal angles are correct, which is much more important with a small caliber like 38, 380, or 9mm.

Finally, small caliber hollow point ammo (like 38 and 380) have been shown to expand inconsistently. I have read and seen that the ballistics of a flat-nose cartridge are more consistent, and pretty much equal with these two calibers. Flat nose looks like this:
 
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Keep in mind ; wounds to the exterior of the head are easier to treat, can be plugged etc..
Intraoral is a miracle because it's nearly impossible to revert.
But as said, 200 dollars for a shotgun is not a bad deal.
 
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