- May 8, 2020
hoffnungstod said:Is anyone able to get a gun in germany?
TAW122 said:'But TAW122, I cannot purchase guns, I R not American'
In the UK, France, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, and Serbia, you can purchase black powder replicas without a license.
Germany and Spain won't let you. Sorry ya'll if you live there. (Try moving to another country in Europe or so if possible.)
Considering people ctb with 38 and 380, I'm sure it would work. Btw, I've never seen a 16 gauge gun. Only ever heard of 10,12, and 20.TheSonOfTheArcher said:Would 16 gauge buck #1 be sufficient for ctb purposes?
I think they stopped making as many 16 gauges in recent times, mines an Winchester 37 which is probably from around the 60s.threesummers said:Considering people ctb with 38 and 380, I'm sure it would work. Btw, I've never seen a 16 gauge gun. Only ever heard of 10,12, and 20.
This website says the 16 gauge is similar in size to a 20, but packs almost as much punch as a 12. https://www.petersenshunting.com/editorial/comeback-16-gauge/369888
Maybe i can get a 45 caliber gun with hollow point bullets and aim it at my brain stem ( i hate the brain stem).F_Alonso said:Of course, I don't encourage anyone to shoot themselves, but should you decide to go for it, then trust me mate, shotgun/rifle to the soft palate is 100% lethal if your gun or ammo aren't defective. To put it into perspective, a rifle bullet needs about 1 millisecond to leave the barrel, and the brain needs at least 50 milliseconds to react (hear/feel something). So, it's approx. fifty times too slow...
I heard a doctor talk about a call he received about a man being stabbed in the heart. He thought it's impossible to survive something like that so he was expecting a corpse when he arrived, but he was still alive because it only barely hit the heart at an area that's not incredibly vital. He was able to save him.jaroz said:How would a 9mm loaded with hollow points to the heart work?
What about a .45 caliber handgun loaded with .45 hollow points in my mouth pointed slightly upward toward the brain stem? Would that do it ? What would be the percentage % of success rate and it would be painless ?nolifer said:I heard a doctor talk about a call he received about a man being stabbed in the heart. He thought it's impossible to survive something like that so he was expecting a corpse when he arrived, but he was still alive because it only barely hit the heart at an area that's not incredibly vital. He was able to save him.
So, you probably have incredibly high chance of success, maybe 99% as long as you don't miss. But it's still going to hurt a lot. That's why most ITT are saying to aim for the brainstem.
44 magnum and 12 gauge with 00 buckshot would do it. Everyone's recommending them ITT. Also the videos I linked to just above shows how effective they are. I am not a gun expert tho so I don't know the difference between 45 and 44 caliber.pthnrdnojvsc said:What about a .45 caliber handgun loaded with .45 hollow points in my mouth pointed slightly upward toward the brain stem? Would that do it ? What would be the percentage % of success rate and it would be painless ?
There is also a mossberg short barrell 12 gauge shot gun but i don't know if i can hold it and aim it in my mouth even though it's much shorter than a regular shotgun.
Also the .44 magnum .
Trying to decide between these.
44 mag is a revolver round. About 1300fps, 240gr (weight). 45 acp is a pistol round, about 1000fps, 180gr. Both would do the job equally. 44 mag revolvers are much more expensive than cheap 45 pistols.nolifer said:44 magnum and 12 gauge with 00 buckshot would do it. Everyone's recommending them ITT. Also the videos I linked to just above shows how effective they are. I am not a gun expert tho so I don't know the difference between 45 and 44 caliber.
Yes it's painless because when you destroy the brainstem, you'll become unconsciouss.
I am going to ctb by shotgun, 12 gauge with 3 inch shells in the mouth aimed up.nolifer said:There are so many pages ITT now, i think it would be nice to get all the info summed up in a post. I've read all the pages and have taken some notes which can be my contribution to try and summarize everything ITT. There's a lot more info ITT and in the OP, so my notes are far from a complete summary.
What is gauge? caliber? difference?
- Gauge and caliber are two different ways to measure a firearm's bore (inner barrel dimension diameter).
- Gauge is a number representation of the diameter of something wherein the larger the number, the smaller the diameter.
- When you measure a firearm's bore in gauge, the number of lead balls should add up to 1 pound in weight.
So 20 gauge shotgun means you need 20 lead balls to add up to a pound.
- There are 20 gauge, 16 gauge and 12 gauge. Of those four, 12 gauge is the largest.
- 12 gauge = Diameter 0.73 inches or 18.5 mm.
- Caliber is usually used when the firearm shoots one shell.
- Caliber is the nominal bore diameter measured in inches or mm.
For suicidal purposes the most likely to kill instantly is the 12 gauge with a solid slug projectile, not any of the shot sizes really equals the lethality except perhaps the 00 buck shot load which, depending on length provides from 8 to 12 round ‘pellets’ of 0.330″ diameter.
.44 and .45 caliber magnum pistol/revolver are peer to a 12 gauge shotgun. There are several videos demonstrating this.
.357 (or around there?) are said be great too, but I want to see more evidence of this, such as a video.
If the shotgun is threaded for a choke, you can install a cylinder choke that will have no choke effect. If you shoot it without any choke installed, you will eventually (probably fairly quickly) damage the choke threads so that you can no longer install a choke. With a damaged barrel, accuracy, especially with slugs will suffer, but it will not become dangerous to shoot it. It won’t blow up and injure you. It will, however, be less effective at longer range.
Thought: Probably best to not have a choke, because it's already difficult enough to handle the weapon for suicide purpose, even without the choke.
In Mobile Alabama, Riddick found that only 5% of suicides by shotgun have failed. (L Riddick, "Gunshot injuries in Mobile, Ala.", Am J Forensic Med and Pathology 13 (3), 1993.)
- Full Metal Jacket, Private Pyle
Stock on the ground, you in a chair with the shotgun between your knees, muzzle in your mouth and your head tipped forward so that you're looking straight down.
This way, you will be much more likely to hit the brainstem and if not, then at least destroy the vast majority of your brain such that you will die from blood loss, hydrostatic shock, and trauma.
The gun recoils because the bullet has been fired. This means the bullet has already left the chamber before the gun moves any significant amount. What you have to focus on is aiming and pulling the trigger without also pulling the gun off to the side.
The main problem is aiming for the heart is much more difficult. I don't know exactly where my heart is - I have an idea. If you miss, or hit it at the wrong angle, a lot of bad things can happen - paralysis from hitting the spine, tissue damage that could take a long time to recover, hitting a lung and dying slowly and painfully.Corraled said:Hey people, dont shoot yourself in the head. Its a horrible meme. Shoot in the heart, the heart is far more important. People just think "the mind lives in the brain" but biologically the heart is more important. You can live as a vegetable with brain damage but you cant live if your heart has a hole in it.
Lets say you miss and hit a lung instead... It will hurt but you can fire again right away, or doctors will patch you up and you can fire again. Tojo shot himself in the heart and supposedly missed and american doctors found him on the floor 1 minute later and saved him so he was fit for his hanging.
If you have a hole in your heart it wont pump blood, you will pass out in 2 seconds, if there is no hole you are basically still fit enough to fire again.
I have considered that remotely operated gun approach. You can strap yourself and program the gun to fire in a preset list of targets. I dont have a gun though but im good with machine tools, i have considered making a compressed air rifle to fire something like an array of 10x10 flechettes into my chest, just some smooth tubes with a 3000 PSI air tank (or higher). Yes theres a risk of missing but theres also a risk of missing the specific part of the brain you want to get at.threesummers said:The main problem is aiming for the heart is much more difficult. I don't know exactly where my heart is - I have an idea. If you miss, or hit it at the wrong angle, a lot of bad things can happen - paralysis from hitting the spine, tissue damage that could take a long time to recover, hitting a lung and dying slowly and painfully.
Now, center of mass does make sense with a shotgun/slug or high caliber rifle (308/7.62 or bigger). Personally, I would love to have some kind of remote setup with a 50cal rifle. Imagine a remote trigger, and digital scope that transmits video wirelessly. You could stream the scope to your phone, line yourself up in the crosshairs, and hit a button the fires after a random amount of time, like 3-7 seconds.
When I shoot myself I'll aim for one of my fingers.DusterBuster said:Hi, I'm not really understanding this. Should one put it in the roof of their mouth? I'm thinking of this example with a shotgun btw.
You can get black powder firearms.Reiraku said:Man, you guys don't know how much I envy you. I almost have a fetish for guns, but getting them here in Germany is close to impossible.