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F_Alonso said:
.44 mag out of a 6" barrel is plenty. On the other hand, if you can get a .454 Casull revolver at a similar price, go for it. The additional energy and muzzle blast associated with a more powerful cartridge should make you feel calmer before you get down to business.
Can you tell me if one should aim through the mouth or behind the ear, which one is more lethal, assuming I have a moderate energy handgun.
 
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siray said:
Can you tell me if one should aim through the mouth or behind the ear, which one is more lethal, assuming I have a moderate energy handgun.
The first method.
 
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Can a hunt gun work?
 
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So taking some Aspirin beforehand will make the process quicker?
If by "the process" you mean dying by bleeding out due to bad aim, then yes, aspirin should make one bleed out quicker. Obviously bleeding out is not the goal, but it's a good backup plan to prevent surviving/being saved with a deformed face or brain damage in case one makes a mistake when shooting.
 
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These are my assumptions.
- 45acp does not have the power to pierce the skull.
- Even if it pierces the 45acp skull, it cannot go too far. This means damaging only one lobe of the brain.
- Have you read a piece of news that was shot in the head and killed with 45acp?
- I've read news about 9mm suicide.
- 45acp is a story for me.

Can you show me a picture or news of someone shot in the head with a 45acp?
 
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lordofbody said:
These are my assumptions.
- 45acp does not have the power to pierce the skull.
- Even if it pierces the 45acp skull, it cannot go too far. This means damaging only one lobe of the brain.
- Have you read a piece of news that was shot in the head and killed with 45acp?
- I've read news about 9mm suicide.
- 45acp is a story for me.

Can you show me a picture or news of someone shot in the head with a 45acp?
Read a bit about what energy is in the context of firearms. That's all that matters really, you want to choose a gun + ammo combination which produces the highest amount of energy. Energy = damage. I shared some numbers about energy in a previous reply to this thread. Shouldn't be more than 1 or 2 pages back.
 
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nolifer said:
Read a bit about what energy is in the context of firearms. That's all that matters really, you want to choose a gun + ammo combination which produces the highest amount of energy. Energy = damage. I shared some numbers about energy in a previous reply to this thread. Shouldn't be more than 1 or 2 pages back.
I don't want to research. I think 9mm is better than 45acp. Presumably, there is not one person who died with 45acp in the head.
 
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lordofbody said:
These are my assumptions.
- 45acp does not have the power to pierce the skull.
- Even if it pierces the 45acp skull, it cannot go too far. This means damaging only one lobe of the brain.
- Have you read a piece of news that was shot in the head and killed with 45acp?
- I've read news about 9mm suicide.
- 45acp is a story for me.

Can you show me a picture or news of someone shot in the head with a 45acp?
Search up Ricardo Alfonso Cerna or Mario Oscar Ferreyra. Both killed themselves with 45ACP pistols.
 
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Search up Ricardo Alfonso Cerna or Mario Oscar Ferreyra. Both killed themselves with 45ACP pistols.
Thanks

I watched the video of Ricardo Alfonso Cerna. The man used his left hand. The bullet did not appear to be sticking out from the right. It was as if blood flowed from his right ear. But the walls did not turn out to be blood. The right lobe of the brain and the left lobe are different. This man blew his left lobe. Was the bullet able to reach the right lobe?

The most important thing is that the bullet entered from one side but could not go out and pierce the wall on the other.
 
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I watched the video of Ricardo Alfonso Cerna. The man used his left hand. The bullet did not appear to be sticking out from the right. It was as if blood flowed from his right ear. But the walls did not turn out to be blood. The right lobe of the brain and the left lobe are different. This man blew his left lobe. Was the bullet able to reach the right lobe?

The most important thing is that the bullet entered from one side but could not go out and pierce the wall on the other.
It was probably stopped by the bone on the other side. He must have used a hollow point bullet. The end result was that he died on the spot and was not even transported to a hospital. You don't want a pass-through - a bullet hitting a wall means that it has dumped some of its kinetic energy into the wall and not into your tissues, reducing the amount of damage. You can always buy +P 45ACP ammo that is comparable to 357 Magnum as far as energy is concerned.
 
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Imagine how easy will be gone from this world with having a gun
playing some music in late night and ready to go
 
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Last chance said:
Everyone thinks this until they actually have one in their hands pointing at their head.
Nope that don't happen to me, I lost my will to live long time ago, and now that I've finally acquired the gun, it's how I previously imagined it, immense relief from a life of pain at the fact that I can off myself whenever I like, and that I am really able to conquer the survival instinct.
Absolute despair certainly is a solace. I'll now just stay in this world for a few months, just for the fuck of it. Then I'll get drunk and pull the trigger, no psychological conflict whatsoever.
 
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I'm just wondering how so many of you can be so certain that any modern gun with hollow points which results in about 350-500 energy, will accomplish an immediate death (as in you lose consciousness immediately, not by bleeding out)?

Is it based on just the ballistic gel tests? I mean it's a good test, and maybe it really is a good enough test to know for certain. It just worries me because the TS and most of the experts in the first pages ITT said that 9mm isn't recommended, but according the gel tests then 9mm is enough. Also tests against pig head and other meat types showed that the damage from 9mm hollow points is barely noticable, while the damage from for example a shotgun is extremely visible.

Especially considering some of you are also asking about if the angle should be 45 degrees or 30 degrees or 15 degrees. If I would say that its 30 degrees, do you think you can aim at exactly 30 degrees? I think if you try to aim for 30 degrees, then it's just as likely you'll by accident shoot at 45 or 15 degrees, or what do you think? How can you be so certain you'll manage exactly at X degrees?

I just wish I could have some more certainty because the consequences are so great. It's too scary to go through with something when you aren't certain it will go as hoped/planned.
 
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nolifer said:
I'm just wondering how so many of you can be so certain that any modern gun with hollow points which results in about 350-500 energy, will accomplish an immediate death (as in you lose consciousness immediately, not by bleeding out)?

Is it based on just the ballistic gel tests? I mean it's a good test, and maybe it really is a good enough test to know for certain. It just worries me because the TS and most of the experts in the first pages ITT said that 9mm isn't recommended, but according the gel tests then 9mm is enough. Also tests against pig head and other meat types showed that the damage from 9mm hollow points is barely noticable, while the damage from for example a shotgun is extremely visible.

Especially considering some of you are also asking about if the angle should be 45 degrees or 30 degrees or 15 degrees. If I would say that its 30 degrees, do you think you can aim at exactly 30 degrees? I think if you try to aim for 30 degrees, then it's just as likely you'll by accident shoot at 45 or 15 degrees, or what do you think? How can you be so certain you'll manage exactly at X degrees?

I just wish I could have some more certainty because the consequences are so great. It's too scary to go through with something when you aren't certain it will go as hoped/planned.
The anxiety about the angle is quite real, consequences are great if one aims incorrectly. However, previously in this thread it was discussed at length by experts, and the final consensus was 10-15 degrees, and not a degree more, as that would decrease the chances of immediate loss of consciousness, and one would have to rely on blood loss as the main cause of death.

So, 10-15 degree is ideal, it should NOT be above 15. Surely one can intuitively tell 10 degree from 45 degree, but it's difficult to tell 10 from 20, so I share your anxiety in this matter, this is why I have chosen handgun only if I'm unable to acquire a shotgun. I'll choose handgun only out of desperation, when I'm sure getting a shotgun is impossible.
 
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Where exactly to aim in the head? Is it just above the ear? Which of the 1,2,3 numbers is better? Note: I will use a pistol.
 
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Where exactly to aim in the head? Is it just above the ear? Which of the 1,2,3 numbers is better? Note: I will use a pistol.
None of the 3. You need to locate exactly where the brainstem is located, and then decide whether you should aim through inside the mouth or behind the ear.

I'm sure you will find an adequate guide to aiming in this very thread, or you could search the handgun threads which discuss position of gun.
 
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None of the 3. You need to locate exactly where the brainstem is located, and then decide whether you should aim through inside the mouth or behind the ear.

I'm sure you will find an adequate guide to aiming in this very thread, or you could search the handgun threads which discuss position of gun.
There are a lot of people who shot themselves in the temple and died. Is it worth trying to target the brainstem and risk not being able to hit the brain?

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Wouldn't it be stupid to target the tiny brainstem instead of targeting a huge brain?
 
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Correct weapon, correct ammo, but incorrect placement. With a long gun, it will be hard to put it aside one's head and be able to pull the trigger without missing. With shotguns and rifles, the idea is to get the barrel in the mouth while you tilt your head down and aim the barrel to the back of the mouth. This way, you will be much more likely to hit the brainstem and if not, then at least destroy the vast majority of your brain such that you will die from blood loss, hydrostatic shock, and trauma.
Go to the soft palate straight back for or up a little?
 
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lordofbody said:
There are a lot of people who shot themselves in the temple and died. Is it worth trying to target the brainstem and risk not being able to hit the brain?

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Wouldn't it be stupid to target the tiny brainstem instead of targeting a huge brain?
I've read articles that say a human can survive with parts of the brain missing. I admit I don't understand everything entirely, but the consensus says that hitting the brain stem is guaranteed to accomplish death and immediate unconsciousness.
 
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nolifer said:
I've read articles that say a human can survive with parts of the brain missing. I admit I don't understand everything entirely, but the consensus says that hitting the brain stem is guaranteed to accomplish death and immediate unconsciousness.
They call a guarantee if the atomic bomb falls on a person's head. :))
 
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jaroz said:
How would a 9mm loaded with hollow points to the heart work?
nolifer said:
I heard a doctor talk about a call he received about a man being stabbed in the heart. He thought it's impossible to survive something like that so he was expecting a corpse when he arrived, but he was still alive because it only barely hit the heart at an area that's not incredibly vital. He was able to save him.

So, you probably have incredibly high chance of success, maybe 99% as long as you don't miss. But it's still going to hurt a lot. That's why most ITT are saying to aim for the brainstem.

I have found this two posts after reading about the epilogue in another thread, so I guess it would make sense to put them all together.

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Failed at ctb via gun shot to the heart, diaphragm pulled bullet in to guts. So how like to chemical ctb oregon, can travel to wa
 
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Hi everyone, I’m planning to CTB with a .357 Magnum through the mouth as is recommended in this thread. However, the only .357s I can find for sale in my area are snub-noses (like the S&W 686-6 and the Ruger SP-101). I’ve seen some people in this thread say that you shouldn’t try to CTB with a snub-nose, but I haven’t seen any explanation why (apologies if I missed one that was posted earlier). Should I really be worried about using a snub-nose? Why is a longer barrel recommended? Thanks!
 
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Hi everyone, I’m planning to CTB with a .357 Magnum through the mouth as is recommended in this thread. However, the only .357s I can find for sale in my area are snub-noses (like the S&W 686-6 and the Ruger SP-101). I’ve seen some people in this thread say that you shouldn’t try to CTB with a snub-nose, but I haven’t seen any explanation why (apologies if I missed one that was posted earlier). Should I really be worried about using a snub-nose? Why is a longer barrel recommended? Thanks!

Do not even consider buying a gun without getting some education and training. Improper handling of a gun can easily get you in the worse state than that you are in right now (just check my previous post in this thread, or news articles about people that had gun accidents or failed suicide attempts). You should also take everything you read here with a big grain of salt, because nothing prevents forum users from writing complete nonsense (including myself).

Shortening barrel reduces bullet velocity. It also increases noise and muzzle flash. Short-barreled revolvers are sometimes jokingly referred to as two-handed weapons because they perform best when you hold the target with one hand and shoot it with other. That being said, they are intended for close range self defense and can be deadly if used properly.
 
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Hi everyone, I’m planning to CTB with a .357 Magnum through the mouth as is recommended in this thread. However, the only .357s I can find for sale in my area are snub-noses (like the S&W 686-6 and the Ruger SP-101). I’ve seen some people in this thread say that you shouldn’t try to CTB with a snub-nose, but I haven’t seen any explanation why (apologies if I missed one that was posted earlier). Should I really be worried about using a snub-nose? Why is a longer barrel recommended? Thanks!
As long as you use full power .357 Magnum ammunition you should be fine. Look for 125 grain Federal hollow points.
 
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Thanks for the responses. It’s a moot point now because I actually managed to find a .357 revolver with a 5.5 inch barrel for sale near me. I’ll be sure to use hollow points
 
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justsayin said:
You should also take everything you read here with a big grain of salt, because nothing prevents forum users from writing complete nonsense (including myself).
Here should be everywhere/anywhere/all topics. This is pretty serious stuff we're talking about, life and death, so yes, definitely fact check everything you read, check sources and so on, it's very important to do that in all aspects of life. Never just take someones word for it. I provide links to sources usually when I share some info, or I might refer to previously posted links further back in the topic. If someone makes a claim without any source then that means you have to search for a source which confirms what they've said.
 
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You should also take everything you read here with a big grain of salt, because nothing prevents forum users from writing complete nonsense (including myself).

Yeah, I’ve kindof been having some second thoughts about shooting behind the ear to hit the brainstem. I’ve done some google image searches to more or less “confirm” the brain stem’s location behind the ear, and there seems to be some inconsistency in the diagrams that I’ve found. Like some of them have it directly behind the ear, while others show it in line with the ear itself, and others still depict it as being behind the ear and down some.
Has anyone else had trouble with confirming the brainstem’s location like this? Can anyone with some legitimate anatomical/medical knowledge chime in here please? I really don’t want to work up the courage to CTB after all this time just to end up a vegetable.
 
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Yeah, I’ve kindof been having some second thoughts about shooting behind the ear to hit the brainstem. I’ve done some google image searches to more or less “confirm” the brain stem’s location behind the ear, and there seems to be some inconsistency in the diagrams that I’ve found. Like some of them have it directly behind the ear, while others show it in line with the ear itself, and others still depict it as being behind the ear and down some.
Has anyone else had trouble with confirming the brainstem’s location like this? Can anyone with some legitimate anatomical/medical knowledge chime in here please? I really don’t want to work up the courage to CTB after all this time just to end up a vegetable.
I haven't put any time into the placement/aim research because I don't have a gun yet. But I would start by using the links posted in this topic and then checking how legit those sources are. Same thing if you search by yourself for sources, you need to look into who made the website, what are their qualifications, who made the picture, was the picture reviewed by any professional, etc. It's also possible that some pictures aren't meant to be exact, just a more rough visual guide to understanding aproximately where some parts of the brain are and their purpose. So you need to look into that as well, what the purpose of the picture is.
 
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