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Hood of Bone

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ReadyForIt said:
Yeah, I’ve kindof been having some second thoughts about shooting behind the ear to hit the brainstem. I’ve done some google image searches to more or less “confirm” the brain stem’s location behind the ear, and there seems to be some inconsistency in the diagrams that I’ve found. Like some of them have it directly behind the ear, while others show it in line with the ear itself, and others still depict it as being behind the ear and down some.
Has anyone else had trouble with confirming the brainstem’s location like this? Can anyone with some legitimate anatomical/medical knowledge chime in here please? I really don’t want to work up the courage to CTB after all this time just to end up a vegetable.
I wouldn't do it behind the ear, only because it seems more difficult to make sure exactly where you're pointing. I think your best bet with a handgun is through the mouth like Budd Dwyer (though don't angle it up as high as he did, that might decrease your chance of hitting the brainstem).

My current plan is to use a Pietta 1873 .357 magnum with hollow point ammunition, pointed straight into my mouth (Some people say you should aim slightly upward, others slightly downward. I doubt it matters a huge amount, and keeping the gun level seems easier than trying to make sure it's pointed at precisely 15 degrees or whatever). I'll also take a bunch of aspirin beforehand and stand chest-deep in a lake near my house, so that I have a failsafe of bleeding out and/or drowning in the unlikely chance that I don't hit the brainstem.
 
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Hood of Bone said:
I wouldn't do it behind the ear, only because it seems more difficult to make sure exactly where you're pointing. I think your best bet with a handgun is through the mouth like Budd Dwyer (though don't angle it up as high as he did, that might decrease your chance of hitting the brainstem).

My current plan is to use a Pietta 1873 .357 magnum with hollow point ammunition, pointed straight into my mouth (Some people say you should aim slightly upward, others slightly downward. I doubt it matters a huge amount, and keeping the gun level seems easier than trying to make sure it's pointed at precisely 15 degrees or whatever). I'll also take a bunch of aspirin beforehand and stand chest-deep in a lake near my house, so that I have a failsafe of bleeding out and/or drowning in the unlikely chance that I don't
For some reason I’m averse to pointing it in my mouth. I can’t really explain why, but somehow I imagine it being more painful if it goes wrong and you don’t hit the brainstem. Like there’s so much variation in the angles that people suggest: 45 degrees, 30 degrees, 15 degrees, 0 degrees. And even then, how does one know precisely what angle at which they’re aiming? I don’t want to risk that. Why does handgun suicide have to be so complicated? It’s crazy how many news stories you see about people attempting with a handgun to their head and surviving. I definitely don’t want that to be me.

I admire you for being so resolute in your decision/plan to just shoot straight back in your mouth. I wish I had that kind of conviction for my plan.
 
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For some reason I’m averse to pointing it in my mouth. I can’t really explain why, but somehow I imagine it being more painful if it goes wrong and you don’t hit the brainstem. Like there’s so much variation in the angles that people suggest: 45 degrees, 30 degrees, 15 degrees, 0 degrees. And even then, how does one know precisely what angle at which they’re aiming? I don’t want to risk that. Why does handgun suicide have to be so complicated? It’s crazy how many news stories you see about people attempting with a handgun to their head and surviving. I definitely don’t want that to be me.

I admire you for being so resolute in your decision/plan to just shoot straight back in your mouth. I wish I had that kind of conviction for my plan.
I get how you feel about pointing it into the mouth. My initial plan was to point it behind the ear, but as I did more research I became more comfortable with the idea of doing it Dwyer-style. Based on everything I've read from multiple sources, I'd argue that while handgun suicide is definitely more complicated than Hollywood would have you believe, it's still an essentially certain death as long as you use a large enough caliber with hollow points and you don't make a rookie mistake like aiming at your temple or under your chin. Remember that the media will amplify rare horrifying cases of handgun suicide attempts gone wrong - you don't hear about the vast majority of cases where the person was successful and very quickly died.

I'm only about 90% sure that I really want to go through with this, and I'll have to save up some money for a few months to buy the gun anyway. But I take comfort in the knowledge that I have a solid, reliable and relatively quick CTB method out there waiting for me if/when I need it.
 
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I’m also really averse to using hollow points as well. Which is why I’m planning on taking aspirin, then shooting both femoral arteries before aiming for the heart and then eventually the brainstem. Hopefully all that will be enough to do the job with .45 ACP FMJs.
 
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finally i can work to get money for the gun
 
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When aiming in your mouth out the top/back of your head, is it better to use Hollow Points or FMJ?
 
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Cant go back said:
When aiming in your mouth out the top/back of your head, is it better to use Hollow Points or FMJ?
Hollow points. They dump all their kinetic energy on impact. Cause the most damage.
 
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MrOptions said:
Hollow points. They dump all their kinetic energy on impact. Cause the most damage.
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I'm in a small town...so maybe I don't have a real perspective but it's my shitty understanding that ammo is harder to get lately. It's like they are stocking guns, but not ammo just to disempower people.
 
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Alwaysbadtime said:
I'm in a small town...so maybe I don't have a real perspective but it's my shitty understanding that ammo is harder to get lately. It's like they are stocking guns, but not ammo just to disempower people.
It's harder to find and it's expensive due to the shortage. I would mainly just say it's expensive. If you want the ammo, you can buy it.
 
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It's harder to find and it's expensive due to the shortage. I would mainly just say it's expensive. If you want the ammo, you can buy it.
Not that I am buying a gun, but can one just order bullets online? Just curious. I went to a store...they were like you can buy our guns, but we have no bullets.
 
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I started reading the but, blah blah blahs in this really high pitched annoying voice
 
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I'm not an expert but here's where I'd aim. I'm confident enough that I could shoot myself without fear.

My goal would be to destroy the thalamus. Imagine a dot directly above each ear. The thalamus is between those dots. So I'd aim directly above one ear and try to get the bullet to come out the same spot above the other ear.
 
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I'm not an expert but here's where I'd aim. I'm confident enough that I could shoot myself without fear.

My goal would be to destroy the thalamus. Imagine a dot directly above each ear. The thalamus is between those dots. So I'd aim directly above one ear and try to get the bullet to come out the same spot above the other ear.
Why would you go for the thalamus instead of the brainstem? If you take out the brainstem you lose consciousness immediately and death is nearly instantaneous (supposedly).
 
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ReadyForIt said:
Why would you go for the thalamus instead of the brainstem? If you take out the brainstem you lose consciousness immediately and death is nearly instantaneous (supposedly).
The thalamus is also necessary for consciousness. I'm assuming we're shooting through the side of the head. Shooting through the mouth, I'd aim for the brainstem.
 
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The thalamus is also necessary for consciousness. I'm assuming we're shooting through the side of the head. Shooting through the mouth, I'd aim for the brainstem.
Personally I think it’d be harder to hit the brainstem aiming through the mouth, versus from behind the ear. The angle at which you’re supposed to aim through the mouth seems to be up for debate though.
 
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People have remained conscious with large parts of their brain destroyed. People have shot themselves in the temple and merely blinded themselves. You need to destroy the part of the brain that's necessary for consciousness.
 
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FohPah said:
People have remained conscious with large parts of their brain destroyed. People have shot themselves in the temple and merely blinded themselves. You need to destroy the part of the brain that's necessary for consciousness.
I don't understand why so many people ignore this advice and are adamant on aiming at their temples with a handgun.

So many scientific papers have been written on brainstem being the critical and most lethal part. Do people just fear putting the gun in their mouth and the terror of having to shoot your throat?

If they use the right caliber handgun, it should be 99% lethal. This is my preferred method, I cannot let the condescending opinions of people on this thread give me second thoughts pertaining to where I should point my handgun.

It has been discussed several times by the experts on this thread, all one has to do is read this legendary thread from the start. Most of their questions will be answered.

Handgun is my preferred method as I cannot acquire a shotgun. I have been living with extreme sorrow and psychological suffering, cannot wait to get it over with.
 
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Hey I'm sorry if this has been answered before, but is attempting with a 380 caliber a good idea if aiming for the brain stem. Also, would shooting myself waist deep in a swimming pool work as backup in case something went wrong. Again, sorry if this has been answered before.
 
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Hey I'm sorry if this has been answered before, but is attempting with a 380 caliber a good idea if aiming for the brain stem. Also, would shooting myself waist deep in a swimming pool work as backup in case something went wrong. Again, sorry if this has been answered before.
Take this with a grain of salt as my knowledge is limited, 380 has a higher chance of lethality compared to 9mm, as the 380 bullet is hollow shaped, it will do more damage to internal organs. I hope someone will verify this on this thread.

Swimming pool idea makes the method foolproof, as I myself would combine handgun CTB with either hanging or fall from a tall building. With a shotgun there's no need to foolproof, but it's easier for me to acquire a handgun compared to shotgun.

It's not that .380 is insufficient, it will be lethal if you aim correctly, but foolproofing is just extra assurance that gives peace of mind.
 
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siray said:
Take this with a grain of salt as my knowledge is limited, 380 has a higher chance of lethality compared to 9mm, as the 380 bullet is hollow shaped, it will do more damage to internal organs. I hope someone will verify this on this thread.

.380 ACP is 9mm, just like 9mm Makarov and 9mm Luger (they are also referred to as 9×17mm, 9×18mm, and 9×19mm, respectively). All of them have full metal jacket (FMJ) and hollow-point rounds. 9mm Luger is usually recommended as minimum on this forum, and is the most powerful of the three.
 
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I want someone to tell me about a good one that's available. Not gonna pull any triggers for a few days? weeks? Not sure but i def do want a shotgun
 
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Is there a way for me to check for myself what will come up when a background check is done on me? After failing with partial hanging and the night night method I decided to just skip the bullshit and buy a gun. I already know what gun I want to use but the issue is I don't know if I'll pass the back ground check. I was hospitalized 2 times back in 2016 but I wasn't committed either time. I would still like to check though. Thankfully I live in South Carolina so even if I do fail the background check there are work arounds for me to obtain a gun but I'd rather not have to deal with that process if I don't have to
 
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look shooting to brain from mouth to achieve brainstem and talamus and etc is not as an easy task. because one special angle needs to be perform well. I have seen some people shot themselves from mouth and they shot cortex not brainstem. my idea is shooting to temple because of its comfortbility and easiness and I prefer this. it is extremely hard that you shoot to your brain (not face or eye ) and you dont die.
 
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Any better diagrams on where the brain stem is relative to the outside of the head? Also got my .38 revolver today. I’ve been feeling, well, okayish I guess lately. The thought of shooting myself kinda scares me tbh, even though a few weeks ago I nearly hanged myself. I guess it’ll be good to have in my back pocket, an “off switch” just in case
 
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eduardo said:
look shooting to brain from mouth to achieve brainstem and talamus and etc is not as an easy task. because one special angle needs to be perform well. I have seen some people shot themselves from mouth and they shot cortex not brainstem. my idea is shooting to temple because of its comfortbility and easiness and I prefer this. it is extremely hard that you shoot to your brain (not face or eye ) and you dont die.
I'm not so sure...when you are using a 12 gauge shotgun with the right shell, it's taking damn near your whole head off.

It would actually be hard to miss the brain stem, if the barrel was to the upper back of your throat.
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Any better diagrams on where the brain stem is relative to the outside of the head? Also got my .38 revolver today. I’ve been feeling, well, okayish I guess lately. The thought of shooting myself kinda scares me tbh, even though a few weeks ago I nearly hanged myself. I guess it’ll be good to have in my back pocket, an “off switch” just in case
The first page of this whole thread has one that sums it up perfectly of where things are located.
 
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What do people think of using two at once? I have a .38 revolver and a .380 auto. I could get jhp for each, aim them at my temple area on either side and pull the triggers at once
 
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I am more comfortable with shooting to temple but I know that it doesnt guarantee my death and I can survive with a brain damage, now my question is :
shooting to brain through the mouth. is it painful?
 
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