Manaaja

Manaaja

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Tried applying my standards for women to this and I scored 2/5 plus it said I was “down to earth”. :shy:

I got the same (though I used men)

"According to statistical data, the probability a guy of the U.S. male population ages 20 to 32 meets your standards is 25.0%".
 
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Did you try NoFap ?
I was alone,I couldnt talk with girls or boys.
I was ugly
I was thin
My social skills were zero.
I was boring and bored
I said always "I hate life,I hate peoples"
I had porn ,masturbation addiction.
Next I learned NoFap and I changed my all life.
Now I can talk with girls,boys
Im more attractive
I care more myself
I more love life,I more love myself...Peoples more love me.I have good habits read book,programming etc
Thats all benefits of NoFap

If you want know more,PM
 
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Jun 14, 2021
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Did you try NoFap ?
I was alone,I couldnt talk with girls or boys.
I was ugly
I was thin
My social skills were zero.
I was boring and bored
I said always "I hate life,I hate peoples"
I had porn ,masturbation addiction.
Next I learned NoFap and I changed my all life.
Now I can talk with girls,boys
Im more attractive
I care more myself
I more love life,I more love myself...Peoples more love me.I have good habits read book,programming etc
Thats all benefits of NoFap

If you want know more,PM
hey i tried no fap once, but its like everything. if only i could stop drinking and doing drugs, if only i could stop eating unhealthy food, if only i could stop playing videogames, if only i could stop masturbating, if only i loved myself...
 
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ihatemylife

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I didn't mean to body or fat shame in my post. I'm not very attractive myself. I just meant I see people who aren't conventionally attractive who find longterm relationships.

I don't know. I wasn't trying to attack conventionally unattractive people, I'm just disagreeing with the posts saying it's impossible for certain men to find a partner.
I think any man can find a girlfriend if he has money, a job and halfway decent personality. If he is ugly and poor not so much unless he is willing to settle for his match, he can't expect a supermodel. Just being honest.
 
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Vex

Girls Don't Cry
Nov 11, 2021
47
I think any man can find a girlfriend if he has money, a job and halfway decent personality. If he is ugly and poor not so much unless he is willing to settle for his match, he can't expect a supermodel. Just being honest.
I dislike it when people talk about settling. Just because someone may be overweight or not conventionally attractive doesn't mean a guy is settling for them.

idc how a guy looks, if we get along and click, then that's it. You can be 5'2, main Teemo on LoL, and think Asuka is best girl.... if we get along then we get along
 
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You can be 5'2, main Teemo on LoL, and think Asuka is best girl.... if we get along then we get along

As someone shorter than the average height I'm really grateful for people who thinks like that but,

Main teemo and Asuka best girl might be going too far...
 
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I dislike it when people talk about settling. Just because someone may be overweight or not conventionally attractive doesn't mean a guy is settling for them.

idc how a guy looks, if we get along and click, then that's it. You can be 5'2, main Teemo on LoL, and think Asuka is best girl.... if we get along then we get along
I myself don't think they are settling but the problem with a very large amount of men is they think they are settling when dating a woman who is not up to their standards of beauty. In situations I've encountered in life I would say at least 95% of all men I have known would take a beautiful woman over a woman with good personality and average looks hand down without question. They also would cheat behind a woman's back if the woman offering the potential cheat was very attractive and they knew it would never be found out. It just in their nature it seems. Not all but DEFINATELY most. Its men's biggest weakness and downfall.
 
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Dr Iron Arc

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Feb 10, 2020
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I myself don't think they are settling but the problem with a very large amount of men is they think they are settling when dating a woman who is not up to their standards of beauty. In situations I've encountered in life I would say at least 95% of all men I have known would take a beautiful woman over a woman with good personality and average looks hand down without question. They also would cheat behind a woman's back if the woman offering the potential cheat was very attractive and they knew it would never be found out. It just in their nature it seems. Not all but DEFINATELY most. Its men's biggest weakness and downfall.
Isn’t it the same for a lot of women too? At least I’ve heard of a lot of single women who act the same way in that they refuse to settle for someone at their level and are still waiting for their Prince Charming or in the case of the many women on tinder who claim to like Asian dudes, their BTS and Big Bang members.

I’m not condoning it, just realizing that this is a part of what makes being single suck overall for anyone man or woman.
 
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Isn’t it the same for a lot of women too? At least I’ve heard of a lot of single women who act the same way in that they refuse to settle for someone at their level and are still waiting for their Prince Charming or in the case of the many women on tinder who claim to like Asian dudes, their BTS and Big Bang members.

I’m not condoning it, just realizing that this is a part of what makes being single suck overall for anyone man or woman.
Sadly I think women are more interested in a man's ability to provide then for their looks. But yes, I'm sure there are quite a few delusional women out there who are the same but in my experience its way more prevalent with men. Generally men use women for their looks and women use men for their money . I even saw some study where they had women rate a mans appearance with and without knowing their income. Once they knew the man had money the score went up 3 points, One of the reasons I try to avoid most people at all costs.
A large amount of people are usually looking to see what they can get from you. By the time people realize it they have spend most of their life being used.
 
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Sadly I think women are more interested in a man's ability to provide then for their looks. But yes, I'm sure there are quite a few delusional women out there who are the same but in my experience its way more prevalent with men. Generally men use women for their looks and women use men for their money . I even saw some study where they had women rate a mans appearance with and without knowing their income. Once they knew the man had money the score went up 3 points, One of the reason I try to avoid most people at all costs. Most people are usually looking to see what they can get from you. By the time most people realize it they have spend most of their life being used.
This is very true. Perhaps some of these women also believe that all men are more likely to be rich simply because they’re physically attractive. I think many men might subconsciously feel the same way that a physically attractive woman would also have other hidden side benefits but being a man myself I can’t think of any.
 
Manaaja

Manaaja

euROPE
Sep 10, 2018
730
One positive thing about being single: No nagging spouse.

How you imagine dating would go like:

He: "Darling, I got back from work."
She: *kisses* "Welcome home honey! Here, let me take your coat off"
He: "Thanks, honey! I'm such a lucky man to have a wife like you! I'm always so grateful how you take care of the house work while I take care of the day work! I don't deserve you! You work so hard!"
She: "Nonsense, honey-bunny! I'm the one who is lucky here, you always wageslave so much to provide us with a life of luxury!"
He: "Only the best for you, honey! There's nothing I wouldn't do to make my favorite person in the world happy!"
She: "Oh! I almost forgot! The dinner is ready, I made your favorite dish, reindeer with smashed potatoes!" (AN: it's hard to be a vegetarian)
He: "Thanks! That looks wonderful! You always cook the best foods, not even Gordon Ramsey could match you! By the way, I was thinking, would you like to go on a romantic spa trip on the weekend?"
She: "I'd love that!"

How dating is in reality:

He: "Honey, I got back from work!"
She: "Make sure you don't step on the carpet with dirty shoes! And don't drop any water on the floor!"
He: "Of course I wouldn't! You don't have to remind me every single day! You're not my mom, and I'm not a child!"
She: "No need to be so passive aggressive!"
He: "What the hell is passive aggressive... Anyway, is the dinner ready?"
She: "What am I? Your mom?"
He: "No, I just want to eat after workslaving the whole day."
She: "There's frozen peasalad in the freezer."
He: "Frozen...peasalad...? I'm no Gordon Ramsey but that doesn't sound good. Isn't there anything else?"
She: "Well, I don't have time to make food or go shopping since I work eight hours a day five days a week and when I get home I'm too tired to do anything so stop complaining!"
He: "Well in case you haven't noticed, I too workslave eight hours a day five days a week! And when I get home, the least I expect is some food on the table! Food that doesn't taste like shit! What kind of man would eat frozen peasalad?"
She: "This isn't the 1800s anymore mister! It's not a woman's job to stay at home all day cooking a dinner to her boyfriend!"
He: "I miss the 1800s..."

I'd like to be a housespouse. I don't understand people who hate being a housespouse. It's so easy these days with all the washing machines, dishwashers, microwaves, electrical ovens, fridges, freezers, cars. I'd rather do two hours of housework and then do whatever I want the rest of the day, than to wageslave eight hours, come home and use the rest of the evening on housework.
 
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Angst Filled Fuck Up

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Sep 9, 2018
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I never understood this bullshit about "being rich". Even if you were rich, would you really want a woman who only wanted you for your money? Anyway, I never had much money but I always had girlfriends. It's very simple: if you want to attract someone, you have to generate a positive feeling within that person. That can be achieved in a million different ways. Maybe you make her laugh. Maybe she digs your style. Maybe you're a good listener. Maybe you're empathetic, or charming, or generous, or a good storyteller, or a thousand other possibilities.

If anyone is struggling to attract a mate, just remember you are multifaceted simply by virtue of being human. You are not your height, your income, or even your looks. Use whatever you have to its fullest and you stand a good chance of finding someone.
 
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Manaaja

euROPE
Sep 10, 2018
730
I never understood this bullshit about "being rich". Even if you were rich, would you really want a woman who only wanted you for your money? Anyway, I never had much money but I always had girlfriends. It's very simple: if you want to attract someone, you have to generate a positive feeling within that person. That can be achieved in a million different ways. Maybe you make her laugh. Maybe she digs your style. Maybe you're a good listener. Maybe you're empathetic, or charming, or generous, or a good storyteller, or a thousand other possibilities.

If anyone is struggling to attract a mate, just remember you are multifaceted simply by virtue of being human. You are not your height, your income, or even your looks. Use whatever you have to its fullest and you stand a good chance of finding someone.
It's true that some women don't care about money. My friend married a man who isn't rich and could barely even work because of his numerous health problems. And my cousin dated several young girls and even impregnated an underage girl despite being in debt and having no job.

You dated Daisy Duck? But what about that damn Gladstone Gander?

It's true that being empathic is really important, I think it's the most imporant thing in a relationship! I couldn't stand five seconds with a person who didn't take me seriously or who wouldn't care for me.

And another thing that's really important is similar hobbies. I love dogs and videogames, and the other person should too.

I wish I could be as positive as you are (and lucky as Gladstone Gander). I have never dated anyone and I'm afraid that there's no one who would match me personality wise. I fear I am not "normal" enough for people.
 
$nowLeopard

$nowLeopard

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Visit Looksmax.org and ask them to rate you and for advice. If you're really ugly you could save for surgery, implants, etc.
If you're extremely short you could save for Limb Lengthening (very expensive)
 
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callme

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Aug 15, 2021
687
Visit Looksmax.org and ask them to rate you and for advice. If you're really ugly you could save for surgery, implants, etc.
If you're extremely short you could save for Limb Lengthening (very expensive)

Surgery and implants aee very expensive outside the US and Western Europe.
 
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Luchs

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Aug 20, 2019
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99% of the effort you would need to make is on yourself. Relationships (or lack thereof) are a mirror that starkly show us where we are at.

Women operate completely differently to men and you can't assume that they think as you do. Study the work of dating coaches. Ask successful people for advice. Do what you can with your appearance, then have a sense of humour about yourself. Learn how to be funny and 'alpha'. And if all this is too much, you might need to start with depression treatment.
This is dumb and probably a scam, if you needed some sort of education and secret knowledge to get with women, then people throughout all of history would have had big troubles finding a partner. Lack of relationships is a modern problem stemming from the issue of society becoming increasingly atomized and trying to woo and trick a woman, like these coaches try to tell you to do is just plain stupid.
 
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callme

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This is dumb and probably a scam, if you needed some sort of education and secret knowledge to get with women, then people throughout all of history would have had big troubles finding a partner. Lack of relationships is a modern problem stemming from the issue of society becoming increasingly atomized and trying to woo and trick a woman, like these coaches try to tell you to do is just plain stupid.

Atomized you say? Somebody has read Houellebecq it seems, right on. Chances for below average people in general are slim. I have a mixed opinion on those men, but peacocking as they call it is one of the most stupid behaviors.
 
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Pluto

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Dec 27, 2020
399
This is dumb and probably a scam, if you needed some sort of education and secret knowledge to get with women, then people throughout all of history would have had big troubles finding a partner. Lack of relationships is a modern problem stemming from the issue of society becoming increasingly atomized and trying to woo and trick a woman, like these coaches try to tell you to do is just plain stupid.
Just the opposite. A lot of modern men have been raised in a distorted environment that misguides, emasculates and shames them for being human and having a sexuality. Some of this is due to a clumsy implementation of modern gender equality and political correctness movements. Much of it is due to a lack of quality male role models or mentoring.

It leaves us in the absurd situation that young men need to put in self-improvement work to confidently be themselves and attract women. It is not trickery, but undoing the damage of crappy childhoods, with other issues like 'screen time' compounding the problem. I don't think society has ever seen anything like the growing modern incel problem in all of human history.

I understand making a conscious choice to give up - I've pretty much done that myself - but I assure you that I would not scam anyone and have heavily researched the point that I make.
 
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Just the opposite. A lot of modern men have been raised in a distorted environment that misguides, emasculates and shames them for being human and having a sexuality. Some of this is due to a clumsy implementation of modern gender equality and political correctness movements. Much of it is due to a lack of quality male role models or mentoring.

It leaves us in the absurd situation that young men need to put in self-improvement work to confidently be themselves and attract women. It is not trickery, but undoing the damage of crappy childhoods, with other issues like 'screen time' compounding the problem. I don't think society has ever seen anything like the growing modern incel problem in all of human history.

I understand making a conscious choice to give up - I've pretty much done that myself - but I assure you that I would not scam anyone and have heavily researched the point that I make.

Doesn't work if you're ugly, poor, boring and stupid.
 
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Pluto

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Dec 27, 2020
399
Doesn't work if you're ugly, poor, boring and stupid.
I know how you feel buddy.

I could argue with you because many/most women are viscerally more attracted to confidence and humour than any of that stuff, and the huge mistake most men make is assuming women think the same way that they do.

But if you're not in the recovery mode right now, you totally have my compassion (heck, I can feel sorry for me, too. haha) and I will abstain from any more lectures. I only commented earlier as I did because this the OP made a genuine question in a recovery forum, and as an older guy I would be neglecting him by not sharing my knowledge. Not trying to push anyone's buttons on a very sensitive subject.
 
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callme

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I know how you feel buddy.

I could argue with you because many/most women are viscerally more attracted to confidence and humour than any of that stuff, and the huge mistake most men make is assuming women think the same way that they do.

But if you're not in the recovery mode right now, you totally have my compassion (heck, I can feel sorry for me, too. haha) and I will abstain from any more lectures. I only commented earlier as I did because this the OP made a genuine question in a recovery forum, and as an older guy I would be neglecting him by not sharing my knowledge. Not trying to push anyone's buttons on a very sensitive subject.

Sure sure, you have a very healthy view for somebody suicidal. All I see is them falling for faux-mafia bully types even in their 30s not dropping the act. All they want is douchebaggery, 4x4s with black-tinted rear mirrors, holidays to Tanzania, Dominica and Dubai every other month and a boyfriend that brutalizes anybody who even looks at her. At least here. Eastern Europeans are notoriously stupid and humorless, save for if the humor offends anybody else and is unapologetically archaic, sexist and racist.

Australia and the west might be different, but still, come on. The women any man wants are never going to fall lower than dating guys who have the same qualities you described, because they also were ahead, so exactly good looking, well off, corrupt, totally abusive, selfish and all that. Every sucessful and wanted guy is such.

For this generation, average is over. Above average is also over apparently.

Would you not say to be confident means being good at something? I can only see both together or it doesn't happen. And some people aren't good at anything. They may even not be bad, but terrible at everything. Unsalvageable, the game never begins for them.
 
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Would you not say to be confident means being good at something? I can only see both together or it doesn't happen. And some people aren't good at anything. They may even not be bad, but terrible at everything. Unsalvageable, the game never begins for them.
I'm glad you have an open mind to continue the dialogue. :)

A proper reply to your question could easily turn into a book, or a long talk (of which there are plenty on YouTube).

If you're specifically talking about the highly attractive women that go for the 'jock' type, it is worth striving to understand them even though they may not be good company for people like us with emotional depth anyway.

As a basic theory lesson, the biological masculine role is 'stiff' and analogous to male genitalia. Narcissistic men are hugely attractive to naive women for a number of reasons - their arrogance, their overconfidence, their pushiness, their directness in demanding what they want... but of course it always ends in disaster for the woman. The female equivalent is the hot woman who happens to be a heartless cheater and drives men to grief. A truly desirable woman might be physically attractive, but also has other qualities like empathy. And similarly, being a high quality man combines authoritative qualities while actually being a decent human being.

Anyway, a few practical examples:
* When a woman in dating mode asks a man to do something and he does it, she loses respect and views him as a pushover. This is the opposite of how men operate, as we love a cooperative woman.
* Always make choices about where to sit in a restaurant; always take charge. Always terminate the meeting first and make it clear that your time is valuable.
* When a man teases a woman playfully, she feels attraction because it takes confidence to do that, plus humour is very attractive in itself. Most guys act like pussies, and often that's why the cutest women end up stuck with the 'jock' types.
* Everything from your posture, your presentation, tone of voice, the way you make eye contact, etc. reflects an authoritative masculinity. Too much to describe in detail here but you get the idea.

A truly good man has an presence of authority and doesn't take any of the shit that women throw when they give men the 'pushover' test,, but he is also playful, funny and genuinely loves and satisfies a woman. Learning to 'play the game' takes practice, there's a whole new language to learn and the inevitable rejections should not be taken personally.

I'm linking to a video from a guy who will have more to say just so you have something to go onto if you wish to take this further. If you are willing to put in the work, you will change your life. A lot of what I've shared here is derived from a book by David DeAngelo, a smart guy who who did a massive amount of research in order to become successful with women himself. But there are many others. And no, they are not scams. I have at least shared the most basic theory here so the rest is up to you. Hope this is helpful and hope to see you kick ass out there!
 
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I'm glad you have an open mind to continue the dialogue. :)

A proper reply to your question could easily turn into a book, or a long talk (of which there are plenty on YouTube).

If you're specifically talking about the highly attractive women that go for the 'jock' type, it is worth striving to understand them even though they may not be good company for people like us with emotional depth anyway.

As a basic theory lesson, the biological masculine role is 'stiff' and analogous to male genitalia. Narcissistic men are hugely attractive to naive women for a number of reasons - their arrogance, their overconfidence, their pushiness, their directness in demanding what they want... but of course it always ends in disaster for the woman. The female equivalent is the hot woman who happens to be a heartless cheater and drives men to grief. A truly desirable woman might be physically attractive, but also has other qualities like empathy. And similarly, being a high quality man combines authoritative qualities while actually being a decent human being.

Anyway, a few practical examples:
* When a woman in dating mode asks a man to do something and he does it, she loses respect and views him as a pushover. This is the opposite of how men operate, as we love a cooperative woman.
* Always make choices about where to sit in a restaurant; always take charge. Always terminate the meeting first and make it clear that your time is valuable.
* When a man teases a woman playfully, she feels attraction because it takes confidence to do that, plus humour is very attractive in itself. Most guys act like pussies, and often that's why the cutest women end up stuck with the 'jock' types.
* Everything from your posture, your presentation, tone of voice, the way you make eye contact, etc. reflects an authoritative masculinity. Too much to describe in detail here but you get the idea.

A truly good man has an presence of authority and doesn't take any of the shit that women throw when they give men the 'pushover' test,, but he is also playful, funny and genuinely loves and satisfies a woman. Learning to 'play the game' takes practice, there's a whole new language to learn and the inevitable rejections should not be taken personally.

I'm linking to a video from a guy who will have more to say just so you have something to go onto if you wish to take this further. If you are willing to put in the work, you will change your life. A lot of what I've shared here is derived from a book by David DeAngelo, a smart guy who who did a massive amount of research in order to become successful with women himself. But there are many others. And no, they are not scams. I have at least shared the most basic theory here so the rest is up to you. Hope this is helpful and hope to see you kick ass out there!

Sorry, not entirely true, heavily geared towards the West, and assuming foundarions apply. Being above-average in almost everything perceedes all of the solutions you are offering. Can't make up for not having an overconfident personality or sucessful business ventures which as it looks, deAngelo has. Just more of the same. No product will ever be geared towards people excluded from any kind of relationship by life itself as repulsive even as a stranger.

A simple undeniable truth is that money, looks, personality and success are foundational. All naturally sucessful men never needed and don't need any advice because they already have those foundations by birth. I see them all the time. Naturally, the ones in need of such advice are excluded by nature. The ones providing it are then naturally in for the money, despite their credentials might convince people of scientific basis.

Sorry, enthusiasm won't help at all. Can't fix what is beyond broken and always meant to be that way, if for no other reason, solely to serve as a bad example.
 
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Mar 11, 2020
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Anyway, a few practical examples:
* When a woman in dating mode asks a man to do something and he does it, she loses respect and views him as a pushover. This is the opposite of how men operate, as we love a cooperative woman.
* Always make choices about where to sit in a restaurant; always take charge. Always terminate the meeting first and make it clear that your time is valuable.
* When a man teases a woman playfully, she feels attraction because it takes confidence to do that, plus humour is very attractive in itself. Most guys act like pussies, and often that's why the cutest women end up stuck with the 'jock' types.
* Everything from your posture, your presentation, tone of voice, the way you make eye contact, etc. reflects an authoritative masculinity. Too much to describe in detail here but you get the idea.
This is all so gross and simplistic. Not every woman is the same and not every man is the same. These one-size-fits-all solutions are retarded. And to the extent that they are true on average, they're just arguments to blow one's brains out because dating is intolerably retarded as well.
 
Marktheghost

Marktheghost

Wizard
Feb 20, 2020
637
Let's all just become asexual, this planet is too insane.
I think I already am, more or less. I'm still desperate for love and affection and just someone to talk to and share my life with though!

My lack of desire for sex doesn't reduce my desire for company.
 

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