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ion900

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May 4, 2018
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We have to make the argument that it is ridiculous to treat acts that do not break the law like they are breaking the law. Also we have to make the argument that it is an inalienable right to be able to choose what goes in our body.
 
FTL.Wanderer

FTL.Wanderer

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May 31, 2018
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We have to make the argument that it is ridiculous to treat acts that do not break the law like they are breaking the law. Also we have to make the argument that it is an inalienable right to be able to choose what goes in our body.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. But religious perspectives and sentiment-popularity still dictate a great deal of legislation, if implicitly. I won't be around to see passage of broad validation of self determination. In the meantime, I refuse to keep suffering just because others--those who won't hire me, don't want me around, don't want to live around me, and have generally decided I'm not worthwhile--have decided everyone, once born, must keep suffering until something else takes them out of the picture.

We're only now getting around to senators arguing to decriminalize marijuana. I don't hold hope out for broad rights to determine the when and how of our own exits. But I agree with your points nevertheless.
 
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Sonnenblume

Sonnenblume

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Apr 6, 2018
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We gotta stop placating people in our personal lives, for one. If someone doesn't support what should be my fundamental right, fuck em up the ass with a pogo-stick, sideways. They are no friend of mine. Also invest in new CTB technologies, like NuTech is doing with the Sarco, and researching easily available methods like Nitrite. We gotta think like marketers, how to get the word out in the most effective way. I think suicidal people need to grow some balls and stand up for themselves (quit hiding, make it known you think this should be your constitutional right) and take matters into our own hands if that's what it comes down to, is what I'm trying to say nicely. If there are enough of us, and people realize they can't stop us, laws will have to change.
 
Lucas

Lucas

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May 26, 2018
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This is not very popular opinion, but to be honest...I do understand why suicide is illegal in many places and have been made hard by society. Prevention and shitty hotlines do save some lifes and even if it's a small percent, it's worth it in the eyes of society. So if you can prevent one angsty teen from killing oneself, it's worth it even if it comes at the expense of elderly or people suffering from chronic illness. We are the collateral damage. The people who really want to kill themselves, will kill themeselves anyways, regardless of the law. Yes, getting N is hard, but it's still possible.

I will say though that the attitude will change in coming years since the typical human life expectancy is so high now that at some point there will be huge masses of old people wanting to die.
 
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ImNotBatman

ImNotBatman

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May 9, 2018
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Right to die has even caught ln with celebrities. Patrick Stewart (Professor X or Captain Jean Luc Picard) said "I have the strong feeling that, should the time come for me, having had no role in my birth, I would like there to be a choice I might make about how I die."
Its becoming more mainstream, the choice in death, but it will always be contained to chronic pain and illness patients, and the elderly.
Unfortunate as it is.
 
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Tiburcio

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May 9, 2018
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This is not very popular opinion, but to be honest...I do understand why suicide is illegal in many places and have been made hard by society. Prevention and shitty hotlines do save some lifes and even if it's a small percent, it's worth it in the eyes of society. So if you can prevent one angsty teen from killing oneself, it's worth it even if it comes at the expense of elderly or people suffering from chronic illness. We are the collateral damage. The people who really want to kill themselves, will kill themeselves anyways, regardless of the law. Yes, getting N is hard, but it's still possible.

I will say though that the attitude will change in coming years since the typical human life expectancy is so high now that at some point there will be huge masses of old people wanting to die.

I can understand it to a certain extenct. The thing I don't respect is forcing people to live in awful conditions or extreme pain. When this happens there are innocents suffering unfairly living with pain or illnesses for a minory who can get better.

Of course I have nothing against that minory, they deserve being happy, but forced live is not a solution. Most part of us would be better dead and we thought a lot about it.
 
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ion900

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May 4, 2018
159
You guys know that anyone who says they are suicidal will get sent to a psych ward right? That's the terrible part. We have to say we stand for the rights but are not suicidal. I think we should post
This is not very popular opinion, but to be honest...I do understand why suicide is illegal in many places and have been made hard by society. Prevention and shitty hotlines do save some lifes and even if it's a small percent, it's worth it in the eyes of society. So if you can prevent one angsty teen from killing oneself, it's worth it even if it comes at the expense of elderly or people suffering from chronic illness. We are the collateral damage. The people who really want to kill themselves, will kill themeselves anyways, regardless of the law. Yes, getting N is hard, but it's still possible.

I will say though that the attitude will change in coming years since the typical human life expectancy is so high now that at some point there will be huge masses of old people wanting to die.
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ion900

Student
May 4, 2018
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It is our right to choose how we live our lives in terms of what our consciousness is like and how long we are conscious. It is our right to dictate our consciousness. If a person wants to have hallucinations, it is their right to experience that side of spirituality.
 
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May 4, 2018
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It is our right to choose how we live our lives in terms of what our consciousness is like and how long we are conscious. It is our right to dictate our consciousness. If a person wants to have hallucinations, it is their right to experience that side of spirituality.

Hey, just curious, and you may have answered this elsewhere.. but do you do a lot of hallucinogens?
 
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ion900

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May 4, 2018
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A little. I have heard other people talk about them as well.
You have no rights.
I understand what you are saying but, in reality, if we don't have rights then nobody else does. The subjective nature of mental illness declarations means that any action can be considered a sign of mental illness including fearing spicy food.