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Nzbeelover

Nzbeelover

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Jul 1, 2018
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Just wondering as we do like to support each other in whatever decisions we make as users in this community but it makes me feel SICK at the thought of supporting older children (15,16,17yrs) on this website when they are eccentually still kids and this is a suicide based website.

I have not engaged in this behaviour but others have. I know we offer support and I'm probably going to get blasted for this.. it is So IMMORALLY WRONG and I feel like that needs to be stated

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MEoDP

MEoDP

Specialist
Sep 2, 2018
347
Just wondering as we do like to support each other in whatever decisions we make as users in this community but it makes me feel SICK at the thought of supporting older children (15,16,17yrs) on this website when they are eccentually still kids and this is a suicide based website.

I have not engaged in this behaviour but others have. I know we offer support and I'm probably going to get blasted for this.. it is So IMMORALLY WRONG and I feel like that needs to be stated

!!!!!!!!
Regardless of age,so many people out there are born into circumstances where there is little to no way out of their suffering/situation other than taking their own life. (unless you're willing to be the good Samaritan who has the willingness to go all the way over there and solve their problems,but I'll assume you ain't.)

Honestly,because of my belief in Antinatalism,I have a very different view on this issue. I'll wait for the others to chime in however.
 
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Morning Angel

Useless Broken Wings
Aug 8, 2018
619
No I don’t think there’s an age restriction to be here. And uh, yes, you’re about to get blasted for sure! :II
 
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EternalSanction

EternalSanction

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Jun 7, 2018
251
There's no age restriction on the site (we don't got the means to check the age of every user).
SS.net is a pro-choice board, not a pro-suicide one. Everyone should have the freedom to express how they're feeling without being judged for their external circumstances. Each user and their opinion ought to be respected.
 
MEoDP

MEoDP

Specialist
Sep 2, 2018
347
Just to give a rather extreme analogy,imagine that you knew a child(say...13 years old) who is the son/daughter of the most powerful and well-connected gang leader,and is being seriously abused by said gang leader on a daily basis. The cops refuse to go after him because of his connections and he is very savvy about circumventing the justice system. Simply put,he's just far too powerful for you to do anything about. You could try saving the child yourself but you'll almost certainly be killed immediately in the process,and then the child will continue being trapped but with no one to help her this time.

Personally,I think the child deserves to know the only way they could end their suffering,you don't need to wait for them to become 18 years old(and endure 4 years of continuous suffering)to tell them how to get the job done.

Of course,I'm aware this is a rather extreme analogy,but I think it gets the message across.
 
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Morning Angel

Useless Broken Wings
Aug 8, 2018
619
Just to give a rather extreme analogy,imagine that you knew a child(say...13 years old) who is the son/daughter of the most powerful and well-connected gang leader,and is being seriously abused by said gang leader on a daily basis. The cops refuse to go after him because of his connections and he is very savvy about circumventing the justice system. Simply put,he's just far too powerful for you to do anything about. You could try saving the child yourself but you'll almost certainly be killed immediately in the process,and then the child will continue being trapped but with no one to help her this time.

Personally,I think the child deserves to know the only way they could end their suffering,you don't need to wait for them to become 18 years old(and endure 4 years of continuous suffering)to tell them how to get the job done.

Of course,I'm aware this is a rather extreme analogy,but I think it gets the message across.
I’m pretty neutral on the issue now tbh.
 
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medusa

Student
Sep 1, 2018
175
Just wondering as we do like to support each other in whatever decisions we make as users in this community but it makes me feel SICK at the thought of supporting older children (15,16,17yrs) on this website when they are eccentually still kids and this is a suicide based website.

I have not engaged in this behaviour but others have. I know we offer support and I'm probably going to get blasted for this.. it is So IMMORALLY WRONG and I feel like that needs to be stated

!!!!!!!!

Someone can be 16 and want to die- They are not little kids anymore and can make their own decision.
Anytime I see someone of that age asking if they should die I always say no and try to nudge them away from their choice.
But we had someone here who died not long ago who was also underage but had seen much suffering.
It is a difficult topic.
I myself am 27 and am considering myself too young to die
 
No Future

No Future

No One
Aug 6, 2018
96
This is a pro-choice forum. Suicide is not encouraged here. If you wound up here, it's because you meant to. This is a place where your right to decide will be respected; a service that is incredibly rare.

This forum is a support network and a resource for those who feel trapped. We can't allow ourselves to discriminate. It's an opportunity for people that are feeling trapped to mediate with people in similar situations.

I absolutely see and recognize your concerns, Nzbee, I really do. The presence of certain demographics here is not ideal (it's not ideal for ANY of us to be here), but it's always a learning opportunity and a chance to understand more about the conditions people endure.

We should always help people to regain their sense of self where possible, but we also cannot patronize or ostracize people we deem to have limited perspectives.

Personal turmoil is entirely relative to those experiencing it, and a lifetime for one person could be a heartbeat for another.
 
lettuceleaf

lettuceleaf

weakling
Sep 9, 2018
10
As someone below the age of 16, I don't think that we should judge based on physical age. If someone does enough intense research to end up here and seriously consider suicide, then they have issues no matter how young or old, and should be taken seriously. For me personally, I think it's easier to talk on here and get different insight, even without directly supporting suicide. I simply believe people need to be heard and not shrugged off with the same hollow, meaningless phrases that people outside this forum often pass around half heartedly. Suicidal is suicidal, and if someone truly desires to do it, they'll find a way.
 
Trashcan

Trashcan

Trash
Aug 31, 2018
1,234
Just wondering as we do like to support each other in whatever decisions we make as users in this community but it makes me feel SICK at the thought of supporting older children (15,16,17yrs) on this website when they are eccentually still kids and this is a suicide based website.

I have not engaged in this behaviour but others have. I know we offer support and I'm probably going to get blasted for this.. it is So IMMORALLY WRONG and I feel like that needs to be stated

!!!!!!!!

I’m in my 20s and wish I could go back in time and have ctb when I first started getting thoughts (age 9). Kids have every right to end their suffering.
 
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DeletedUser4739

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As someone below the age of 16, I don't think that we should judge based on physical age. If someone does enough intense research to end up here and seriously consider suicide, then they have issues no matter how young or old, and should be taken seriously. For me personally, I think it's easier to talk on here and get different insight, even without directly supporting suicide. I simply believe people need to be heard and not shrugged off with the same hollow, meaningless phrases that people outside this forum often pass around half heartedly. Suicidal is suicidal, and if someone truly desires to do it, they'll find a way.
you're truly wise beyond your years
 
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DeletedUser4739

Guest
Just wondering as we do like to support each other in whatever decisions we make as users in this community but it makes me feel SICK at the thought of supporting older children (15,16,17yrs) on this website when they are eccentually still kids and this is a suicide based website.

I have not engaged in this behaviour but others have. I know we offer support and I'm probably going to get blasted for this.. it is So IMMORALLY WRONG and I feel like that needs to be stated

!!!!!!!!
i understand why you'd feel that way. since the site is unable to verify age, and people would lie anyway, perhaps ignoring underage profiles would help you get what you'd like from the site
 
weedoge

weedoge

Banned
Jul 12, 2018
1,528
Regardless of age,so many people out there are born into circumstances where there is little to no way out of their suffering/situation other than taking their own life. (unless you're willing to be the good Samaritan who has the willingness to go all the way over there and solve their problems,but I'll assume you ain't.)

Honestly,because of my belief in Antinatalism,I have a very different view on this issue. I'll wait for the others to chime in however.
Unfortunately it's impossible for us to know the truth on here, it's disturbing to see like 14 y/os here. I've said a few times I know people will disagree with me a lot but due to the nature of my own experiences there's no way I could ever freely give method information to someone so young.

Younger people may find it harder to comprehend what they're even considering and it's up to them to figure that out, this forum is easily reached by googling anything about suicide and so some could end up here in an attempt to reach out for help with their lives without realising they won't get it. That's why I think, no matter the rules on age restriction, it's not necessarily a harmful thing to verify younger users intentions and point them in the direction of places where they will get support from pro-life people. because at the end of the day we're not able to provide that here.

It's definitely an individuals decision to make but sometimes people need help realising what decision they're making but that's just my thoughts.
 
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Jul 31, 2018
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I lurked here for a while, studying methods, then when I joined I found I couldn't support anyone in their methods or even comment to discourage an ill considered method. I feel like a hypocrite. Still can't do it though, for fear of triggering someone! Regardless of their age.

I was briefly suicidal when I was 17. I was glad I didn't do it. Had a good life after that despite how I felt. Unfortunately it can reach out down through the years. I guess if you can overcome that urge at an early age you have to be very careful going into the future. But as I saw someone on here say: The problem with ignorance is that you don't know you are ignorant.
 
weedoge

weedoge

Banned
Jul 12, 2018
1,528
I lurked here for a while, studying methods, then when I joined I found I couldn't support anyone in their methods or even comment to discourage an ill considered method. I feel like a hypocrite. Still can't do it though, for fear of triggering someone! Regardless of their age.

I was briefly suicidal when I was 17. I was glad I didn't do it. Had a good life after that despite how I felt. Unfortunately it can reach out down through the years. I guess if you can overcome that urge at an early age you have to be very careful going into the future. But as I saw someone on here say: The problem with ignorance is that you don't know you are ignorant.
Exactly, I'd rather not project my hindsight onto younger people. If a person never meets any resistance at all then they may never know what their true desire is. I think people are so complicated and those who don't really want to die should have the chance to know that.
 
MEoDP

MEoDP

Specialist
Sep 2, 2018
347
Point them in the direction of places where they will get support from pro-life people. because at the end of the day we're not able to provide that here.

It's definitely an individuals decision to make but sometimes people need help realising what decision they're making but that's just my thoughts.
Well,I can agree with this at least. (providing resources for recovery. such as providing Hotlines that guarantee they won't try to call the authorities without your consent,etc.)

I think I've been told by one of the Mods that there's a recovery tag/section here,but I'm not sure. I just wouldn't agree with trying to censor the Methods page. I think that page should remain openly available,even to non-members,just like it is now,though you may not agree with this.
 
weedoge

weedoge

Banned
Jul 12, 2018
1,528
Well,I can agree with this at least. (providing resources for recovery. such as providing Hotlines that guarantee they won't try to call the authorities without your consent,etc.)

I think I've been told by one of the Mods that there's a recovery tag/section here,but I'm not sure. I just wouldn't agree with trying to censor the Methods page. I think that page should remain openly available,even to non-members,just like it is now,though you may not agree with this.
Yeah, censoring the methods page wouldn't do much anyway because it's really just a consolidation of all the information that's already out there and pretty easy to find. I just want everyone to be on the road that they're intended to be and that they want to be.
 
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DeletedUser4739

Guest
Well,I can agree with this at least. (providing resources for recovery. such as providing Hotlines that guarantee they won't try to call the authorities without your consent,etc.)

I think I've been told by one of the Mods that there's a recovery tag/section here,but I'm not sure. I just wouldn't agree with trying to censor the Methods page. I think that page should remain openly available,even to non-members,just like it is now,though you may not agree with this.
agreed. if it's censored to that degree, you may end up going down a rabbit hole that would change the very nature of the site
 
Justanotherconsumer

Justanotherconsumer

Paragon
Jul 9, 2018
974
We dont know everybody's situation, people on here are from all over the world, many places in the world have no access to healthcare unless you have money upfront, india has a cast system of employment thats impossible to break out of and are considered untouchable forced to live in cemeteries. There is only so much a human can take regardless of age. Japan has a culture of lifelong employment, if you ever lose your job your unhireable. China has death vans that will harvest your relatives organs in your driveway, and based on accusation alone haul you off to a govt. Slave camp. There are just to many unimaginable atrocities to even comphrehend in this sick world.
 
weedoge

weedoge

Banned
Jul 12, 2018
1,528
We dont know everybody's situation, people on here are from all over the world, many places in the world have no access to healthcare unless you have money upfront, india has a cast system of employment thats impossible to break out of and are considered untouchable forced to live in cemeteries. There is only so much a human can take regardless of age. Japan has a culture of lifelong employment, if you ever lose your job your unhireable. China has death vans that will harvest your relatives organs in your driveway, and based on accusation alone haul you off to a govt. Slave camp. There are just to many unimaginable atrocities to even comphrehend in this sick world.
Then it may be appropriate to talk to those people who we're unsure about, offer some emotional support and see how they seem to be feeling and what their intention is. My personal criteria is either a) completely refusing and having no desire to live for specific reasons or b) having desires in life but knowing that a number of them is impossibly unattainable and that those unattainable things are required to make the individual "whole" and happy. Life is meaningless to many here but not everybody. There is just one individual here I've offered some more pro-life resources and offered me ear to because it just doesn't seem right. For somebody so young to end up here they may actually want "support" but have absolutely no way of accessing it because of their home life.

It's as you said, we don't know everyone's situation and it works completely both ways, regardless of age I'll always encourage people to think and encouraging people to talk about their situations will make questions of what we know or don't know less relevant. Always a persons choice but I can't act like I don't have certain hang ups and try to to support someone in the process of making a decision as well as enacting it if I feel morally able.
 
Slacker

Slacker

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Aug 17, 2018
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RM5998

RM5998

Sack of Meat
Sep 3, 2018
2,206
If I'd known beforehand that something like this site existed, I'd be dead about 6-7 years ago. I was more suicidal then than I am now, probably because I've got much less of a spine. I was in a rebellious mood at that time, but I was also reasonable enough to know the enormity of what I was attempting. And now, I pretty much have the life I was afraid I would end up with, but with the added bonus of not enough willpower to face death. Stuff like this NEEDS to be public to all, and needs to be accessible enough to not have people like me end up in a limbo where you're stuck with a deep hatred of life and a paralyzing fear of death.