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betternever2havbeen

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My biggest fear is ending up on life-support or in a coma etc. From any natural medical issue, or from my own actions. My mother knows my wishes which is to under no circumstances be put on a machine etc. I don't know the procedure but given what I've told my mother (and if I wrote a living will) would they still be able to put me on life-support? What about a coma? I don't want to google it cos it's triggering and grim but if anyone knows could you briefly explain what is likely to happen. I'm in the UK.

I hate all these medical advances I feel like it's SO hard to actually die now...
 
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Seeking_Peace

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May 18, 2022
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What is the procedure? You have to make a DNR do not resuscitate.
 
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betternever2havbeen

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@Seeking_Peace I don't know what they do. If I made a DNR now as a completely healthy adult would that stop them ever being able to put me on a machine or in a coma?
 
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Seeking_Peace

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It would raise flags unless this procedure has a high failure rate
 
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betternever2havbeen

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@Seeking_Peace There is no procedure I'm going through...what I meant by "procedure" is what are the actions of medical professionals when you are found after a suicide attempt or say a heart attack or something do they HAVE to put you on a machine, i.e is there anything I can do beforehand to make sure that doesn't happen? I'm trying to make sure I never have to end up in a coma or on life support.
 
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Seeking_Peace

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May 18, 2022
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That's not possible to do before a ctb attempt.
 
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WanderingWater

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Apr 7, 2022
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You can have a DNR created anytime. Have it on file with the hospital. There are not any restrictions in executions of a Living Will...USA
 
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Seeking_Peace

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A DNR is only followed if you actually stop breathing or have no heartbeat 'before' rescue which wouldn't happen in a failed attempt. As long as you have a pulse they won't let you die.
 
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betternever2havbeen

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@seekingpeace thanks for explaining that. What about putting you on life support is that automatic as well...
 
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Ta555

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@Seeking_Peace is right. If you're breathing or have a pulse they will try to save you. However, if you are so damaged that it becomes clear that you cannot breathe or sustain life on your own without machines they will most likely suggest to your family to take you off life support. Idk about the UK, but where I live they don't keep people on life support for years in public hospitals. There are only a handful of people in the country in that situation in private hospitals because the family can afford to pay for that and thinks the person will wake up at some point. Personally, I think if it's been more than several months and they haven't woken up it's a very cruel and selfish thing to do.

So basically, you can end up on life support but if your condition is very bad they will most likely take you off it. Unless you're in the US. Medical system and litigation is crazy there.
 
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Seeking_Peace

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Depends. If you were found barely alive yes life support would be administered. If you were found dead(no heartbeat), life support cannot be attempted due to DNR.
 
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whitefeather

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Anyone can create a legal DNR anytime . But unless there is someone who will DEFEND ones legal DNR - the system will make money on hooking them up to life support tortures
 
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Ta555

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You can create a legal DNR anytime . But unless you have someone who will DEFEND your legal DNR - the system will make money on hooking you up to life support tortures
What system? What are you talking about? Most hospitals will want to get rid of vegetative patients asap. The reason hospitals in the US keep people hooked up is because they're afraid of being sued by the family not because they're making money.
 
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betternever2havbeen

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There is a case going on atm in the UK I guess that's why I started thinking about it. This poor 12yo boy hanged himself and he is now on life support and the docs want to let him go but the parents are taking it to court. They lost but are appealing the decision, for all intents and purposes he is dead but the mother wont accept it. Machines and all that stuff creep me out I keep having to tell myself he has no consciousness or ability to feel anything because it would give me nightmares otherwise.
 
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Ta555

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Aug 31, 2021
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There is a case going on atm in the UK I guess that's why I started thinking about it. This poor 12yo boy hanged himself and he is now on life support and the docs want to let him go but the parents are taking it to court. They lost but are appealing the decision, for all intents and purposes he is dead but the mother wont accept it. Machines and all that stuff creep me out I keep having to tell myself he has no consciousness or ability to feel anything because it would give me nightmares otherwise.
There was a case like this in the US, also young girl, got sick and then brain hemorrhage or something like this. She was basically brain dead but could still breathe because her brainstem was unaffected while the rest of her brain was permanently damaged. They kept her 'alive' for months and months. It was a really big case. She died in the end but the doctors were pretty disgusted with the parents. They basically said they were keeping a corpse alive.
 
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Medicmedic72

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Jun 6, 2022
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@betternever2havbeen
I am just going to address the idea of a DNR in this post. Every DNR/DNI has to be signed by a physician and a witness. Most will not issue one unless you have a chronic condition likely to result in early death or you are terminal. They all say for you to be allowed to pass naturally, without intervention. So, say for example you are dying due to a car crash or other traumatic event. Your DNR doesn't cover that. If you actively overdose, hang yourself, ingest poison, tight a ligature to compress your carotid arteries, etc, your DNR doesn't cover that. And, I hate to say it, but if your family tells them to disregard your paperwork and decides instead to have medical care provided, it is often the case that they will, until the ethics committee gets involved and that could be days to weeks away, especially if there's function left in you, no matter how minimal.
I'll give an example, my grandmother had a DNR, which specifically stated no life-prolonging procedures or medications. She had dementia at that point and couldn't make her own decisions. The doctors explained to the family that without a pacemaker, she would die within days to weeks. One family member objected, for religious reasons, and they put the pacemaker in. My grandmother had a lucid period just before the pacemaker placement and called me to help her object. I discussed this with the doctors and they said the other family member was of closer relation and they needed to perform it despite her DNR/DNI with no life-sustaining procedures or medication. She got the damned pacemaker. It was AWFUL.

This is in a specific east coast state, your states may be different.

Also, look up the case of Terri Shiavo (I think that is the right spelling). If I remember correctly the mother wanted her discontinued from life support, and the husband didn't. (I might have the two actors in that scene backwards i their convictions). It took a really long time to get to court and have a decision.
 
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betternever2havbeen

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@Ta555 The boy over here is even worse I think there is no brainstem anymore, the brain is disintegrating to put it less graphically (it's really grim reading).

Wow well done to the docs for telling it how it is, they won't say that sort of thing over here for fear of upsetting the parents during their "grief" and some of the public get behind the parents and make things really hard for the doctors. There is basically zero chance of any sort of normal life for any of these people, none of them will wake-up and even if they do will have no quality of life. The parents just get really delusional and think there's hope when it's not reality.
 
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Dead Ghost

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May 6, 2022
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You can use the following document as a reference to make yours (I have done it but I have not yet gone to the notary, this last step is necessary if there are no witnesses or people close to you who want to sign it). Of course, you will have to translate it on the web with a translator, because I haven't searched for other sources in other languages because I don't trust what you can find in English and I know that this one in Catalan is official (I don't trust what the translator says when translating it into English either):

A word of advice: if you don't see it when you pass it in English, pass it in Spanish and then use DeepL to pass it in English.
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Pots fer servir el següent document com a referència per elaborar el teu (jo el tinc fet però no hi he anat encara al notari, aquest últim pas és necessari si no hi ha testimonis o gent propera que el vulgui signar). Això si, l'hauràs de traduïr per la web amb algún traductor, doncs no n'he fet cerca d'altres fonts en d'altres idiomes perquè no m'en refío del que pugui trobar en anglès i se que aquest en català és oficial (tampoc m'en refío del que digui el traductor al passar-ho a l'anglés):

Un consell: si al passar-ho a l'anglés no ho veus clar, passa-ho a l'espanyol i després usa el DeepL per passar-ho a l'anglés.
 
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