Cryptonite

Cryptonite

I was happy for exactly 2 months of my life
Apr 30, 2022
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I'd like to share some very subjective experience regarding benzos' influence on SI. In the hope that more members of SS can get little bit of an inspiration for their own experiments.

Today, in the morning, I tried to hold my SN bottle in an attempt to get myself used to it, but I felt very scared. But right now, under the influence of benzos, I could feel that my fear has been decreased significantly. I was able to hold the SN bottle, walk around the room with it, touch it from all sides, with no major problems and fear.

Although benzos are generally considered supplementary, I still think their potential is still underappreciated.

What's your experience? What do you think about this?
 
thethatsitboy

thethatsitboy

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Jul 4, 2020
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I use benzos from a long time. it reduces anxiety the most and I think maybe that should be your point.

without or with benzos I can hold my SN, I can prepare the mix with water, etc. I believe it don't reduce SI, just anxiety.
and anxiety can be a big problem. from what I see, it was your problem with handling SN. but anxiety isn't SI and we'll just know what's SI when we are there
 
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damaged_soul

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Jul 30, 2022
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I use benzos from a long time. it reduces anxiety the most and I think maybe that should be your point.

without or with benzos I can hold my SN, I can prepare the mix with water, etc. I believe it don't reduce SI, just anxiety.
and anxiety can be a big problem. from what I see, it was your problem with handling SN. but anxiety isn't SI and we'll just know what's SI when we are there
That's the scariest part of it for me, we don't know what's SI until we get there. I don't have a lot of SI currently (I've gotten very sick before and I didn't go to the ER because I was ok with dying) but I'm scared that when I take SN, I'll get a bunch of SI and freak out and go to the ER.
 
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Cryptonite

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I report that I've increased the dose once more and taken 30mg of diazepam. The anxiety regarding death seems even lower. At one point, I almost felt like being happy about my CBT. I put sodium chloride (ordinary salt) into a cup, drank it and spent 20 mins in bed pretending I'm gonna die. I was fine with that. I know it's still not anywhere near the real attempt with SN. However, I still feel I'm getting much more confident that I can do it eventually. I believe that thorough preparation is the key, because it leads to desenzitivization. And that benzos are not just an additional supplement, but a key component to the whole process. I'm now an advocate for generally higher doses for benzos – What doesn't make you fall asleep is going to help you.
 
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ManicPanic2018

ManicPanic2018

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Sep 11, 2022
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I've Just started taking clonazepam. Hell of a drug. Won't be CTBing till likely this weekend but I'm sure thus stuff is good. Hardly any brain capacity, can't imagine i'd get SI on it. But who the fuck knows until the time comes. Will make a goodbye thread if I do go through with it and describe it a bit better
 
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This is why I was trying to source them. I had read on the sn successes thread someone say 'valium really helps to not care' so after that I felt like I had to get them. Tried to do it without. God was I scared X

Edited to add: Does anyone know whether benzos keep you a lot calmer when it comes to struggling to breathe during it and symptoms such as that, and whether they dull any pain? Thanks.
 
Cryptonite

Cryptonite

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This is why I was trying to source them. I had read on the sn successes thread someone say 'valium really helps to not care' so after that I felt like I had to get them. Tried to do it without. God was I scared X

Edited to add: Does anyone know whether benzos keep you a lot calmer when it comes to struggling to breathe during it and symptoms such as that, and whether they dull any pain? Thanks.
I would say painkillers such as paracetamol or ibuprofen help the pain better, although benzos could help you care less about the pain. As far as breathing is concerned, I think you will be unconscious before it starts to bother you very much.
 
ManicPanic2018

ManicPanic2018

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Sep 11, 2022
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Big agree on the "they stop making you care" side. As forwht they'll be like on the day of taking SN, no way to know until then. But from what I've gathered so far, I wouldn't wanting to be ctb'ing without these now.
 
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Elementalist
Jul 3, 2022
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Does anyone know how many benzos are recommended for the sn method? Any feedback much appreciated. x
 
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AliceTheGoon

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I put sodium chloride (ordinary salt) into a cup, drank it and spent 20 mins in bed pretending I'm gonna die. I was fine with that.
lol that's pretty good. How much salt? I dissolved ~22g in 50ml water and it was so vile I could barely touch the tip of my tongue to it. I'll have diazepam soon so I'll experiment a little.
 
Cryptonite

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lol that's pretty good. How much salt? I dissolved ~22g in 50ml water and it was so vile I could barely touch the tip of my tongue to it. I'll have diazepam soon so I'll experiment a little.
Try mouth numbing lozenges (with lidocaine and/or benzocaine) and you can also rinse your mouth in a mouthwash afterwards. Plus, if you're on benzos, you will care less.
Does anyone know how many benzos are recommended for the sn method? Any feedback much appreciated. x
It is very individual (weight, fasting and personal metabolism are some of the factors), so I would just keep experimenting until you reach the highest dose that will make you fully in control of your actions and not make you fall asleep prematurely. In regards to the specific kind of benzos, alprazolam and diazepam both work comparably well for me.
 
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Lost Magic

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May 5, 2020
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Good post. I wouldn't attempt to ctb without benzos, Xanax or something similar. Anxiety and fear are driving factors in survival instinct. So, it makes sense to take something that would reduce those feelings. Propranolol is also useful because it reduces heart-palpitations, sweating and shaking. I'll be taking both in reasonably high quantities.
 
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AliceTheGoon

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Try mouth numbing lozenges (with lidocaine and/or benzocaine) and you can also rinse your mouth in a mouthwash afterwards. Plus, if you're on benzos, you will care less.
I have generic orajel it is really strong. How much salt did you drink?
 
Cryptonite

Cryptonite

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I have generic orajel it is really strong. How much salt did you drink?
I wish we could have Orajel in Europe. I guess EU banned benzocaine, all the medicine is no longer available. But we still have lidocaine, hopefully it'll work similarly well.

I don't know exactly, didn't measure, but I estimate 20g, the recommended amount for SN.
 
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I thought the PPH recommended a specific amount? Someone here said they recommend loads.
 
Cryptonite

Cryptonite

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I thought the PPH recommended a specific amount? Someone here said they recommend loads.
Personally, I wouldn't take PPH as the Bible. It is a good starting point, just as any resources here on SS, but everyone should find find what personally suits them the best.
 
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AliceTheGoon

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Jul 1, 2022
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I don't know exactly, didn't measure, but I estimate 20g, the recommended amount for SN.
omg you drank 20g of salt?? lol I think in that case you have overcome SI or something very close to it.
 
Cryptonite

Cryptonite

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omg you drank 20g of salt?? lol I think in that case you have overcome SI or something very close to it.
Hah, I didn't even know it was so much over the recommended daily intake. But I remember not everything was dissolved, so it was probably more like 10g.
omg you drank 20g of salt?? lol I think in that case you have overcome SI or something very close to it.
Well, now I can feel the symptoms, clear bowel uneasiness, LOL
 
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wljourney

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I thought the PPH recommended a specific amount? Someone here said they recommend loads.
Dose depends on which benzo you are able to get.
1 mg of X doesn't have the same effect as 1 mg of Y.

The PPeH suggests quite a lot of Oxazepam. (Something like 30x30mg if I recall correctly).
The normal dosing is 1x15 or 30mg and it can take 1-2 hrs to fully be effective.

As an example: Lorazepam is normally dosed in 1 mg increments and takes effect within 30 minutes.

So: you can use a different Benzo, but you would adjust the dosage accordingly down.
 
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AliceTheGoon

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Jul 1, 2022
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This may be a stupid question but is orajel flavoured and is the flavour palatable in and of itself?
It's a minty toothpaste flavor but the numbing sensation totally overwhelms it. Fun fact: the active ingredient is known to cause the same blood disorder as SN.
 
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WaitingForMyRide

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Sep 6, 2022
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I was just about to make a thread about this, crazy. The right benzos can obliterate SI while still being coherent enough to CTB. The heavier research chemical benzos will certainly kill SI. I speak from experience and took flunitrazolam before shooting myself with buckshot. It's like the SI switch was disconnected and I didn't even really feel that much pain at first. I took a massive dose.
 
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