Aponia & Ataraxia

Aponia & Ataraxia

Experienced
Jun 24, 2018
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A pleasant (or at least not unpleasant) voluntary death favors the three conscious states on the right-hand side of the spectrum, while their absence tends toward difficulty/apprehension/tediousness (regardless of whether or not the death is voluntary) in the final specious present.

Psychological tools:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotelic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specious_present
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspectival_realism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_horizon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_salience
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_line#World_lines_in_literature



Peak experiences & flow:
-loss of judgment to time and space
-the feeling of being one whole and harmonious self, free of dissociation or inner conflict
-the feeling of using all capacities and capabilities at their highest potential, or being "fully functioning"
-functioning effortlessly and easily without strain or struggle
-being without inhibition, fear, doubt, and self-criticism
-spontaneity, expressiveness, and naturally flowing behavior that is not constrained by conformity
-a free mind that is flexible and open to creative thoughts and ideas
-complete mindfulness of the present moment without influence of past or expected future experiences
-a physical feeling of warmth, along with a sensation of pleasant vibrations emanating from the heart area outward into the limbs.

"This is serene and calm rather than a poignantly emotional, climactic, autonomic response to the miraculous, the awesome, the sacralized, the Unitive, the B-values. So far as I can now tell, the high plateau-experience always has a noetic and cognitive element, which is not always true for peak experiences, which can be purely and exclusively emotional. It is far more voluntary than peak experiences are. One can learn to see in this Unitive way almost at will. It then becomes a witnessing, an appreciating, what one might call a serene, cognitive blissfulness which can, however, have a quality of casualness and of lounging about." --Abraham Maslow on the 'Plateau Experience'

Under this interpretation: there is no "survival instinct," only hastiness of method preparation and its subsequent "buyer's remorse."

pain & maim aversion as a matter of common sense: stone-age methods are characterized predominantly by pain & violence. Any such method (e.g. drowning, hanging, suffocation instead of inert-gas asphyxiation, jumping from height, firearms, blunt force trauma, etc.) will feature its own brand of apprehensiveness, for obvious reasons.

"A successful suicide demands good organization and a cool head, both of which are usually incompatible with the suicidal state of mind."

"The Affects, therefore, of hate, anger, envy, etc., considered in themselves, follow from the same necessity and force of nature as any other singular things. And therefore they acknowledge certain causes, through which they are understood, and have certain properties, as worthy of our knowledge as the properties of any other thing, by the mere contemplation of which we are pleased." --Baruch Spinoza

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postponement_of_affect : It is necessary to resolve beforehand, anything that could bring about the emergence of this phenomenon on the day of (or days leading up to) one's exit, --as it may interfere with one's attainment of their favored conscious state.

"In what state of consciousness would I eventually like to die?" --Thomas Metzinger

"The fact is that we only fully arrive at ourselves in a freely chosen death. It, and only it, is "la minute de la verite" (the moment of truth). --Jean Amery, 'On Suicide: A Discourse on Voluntary Death'

Since one's consciousness will be causally-separated from this particular world (regardless of whether or not one believes their consciousness will continue afterward), there are but two basic categories of much utility toward note(s): guilt-dispersion, alerting others to any pertinent issues in their present or future --

--example:
"Until yesterday I had no definite intention of killing myself. But more than a few must have noticed that lately I have been tired both physically and mentally. As to the cause of my suicide, I don't quite understand it myself, but it is not the result of a particular incident, nor of a specific matter. Merely may I say, I am in the frame of mind that I lost confidence in my future. There may be someone to whom my suicide will be troubling or a blow to a certain degree. I sincerely hope that this incident will cast no dark shadow over the future of that person. At any rate, I cannot deny that this is a kind of betrayal, but please excuse it as my last act in my own way, as I have been doing my own way all my life." --Yutaka Taniyama

20:00 - 22:53, 31:32 - 32:47 :



(21:21 - 21:30) :

"Forrest (2004) argues that although there exists a past, it is lifeless and inactive. Consciousness, as well as the flow of time, is not active within the past and can only occur at the boundary of the block universe in which the present exists."

"The objective world simply is, it does not happen. Only to the gaze of my consciousness, crawling upward along the life line of my body, does a section of this world come to life as a fleeting image in space which continuously changes in time." --Hermann Weyl

"All that is real is real in a moment, which is a succession of moments. Anything that is true is true of the present moment. Not only is time real, but everything that is real is situated in time. Nothing exists timelessly." --Lee Smolin

“Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for the insect, as well as for the star. Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper.” --Albert Einstein

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe#Quantum_fluctuation

(31:32 - 32:47) :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_salience
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_line#World_lines_in_literature
 
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Vvoiid

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Thank you so much for this. It really helped me.
 
Aponia & Ataraxia

Aponia & Ataraxia

Experienced
Jun 24, 2018
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David Albert on the Homo sapiens experience (39:17 - 41:29) :

 
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ManWithNoName

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"Forrest (2004)" :

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So what is this video talking about? Are they saying no life after death?
 
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mathquestions12345

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Cool. The way I apply this is to breathe through that catching knot of anxiety you get when you think about dying. You just breath, you accept the fear, and you breathe, and you go through the experience. Does that help anyone? Does anyone do different things?
 
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crova

Making death amazing journey
Oct 7, 2018
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Thats a lot of new material - I dont know where to start.