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Ligottian

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Does such a thing really exist? I'm talking about something that will grant you a quick, painless exit within a few minutes. Is it hidden from public knowledge? I know SN is often talked about here, but it seems rather elaborate. I'm just asking.
 
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FuneralCry

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From what I have heard, N sounds like the ideal and most peaceful method. I do envy those who die that way. It would be such a relief having something that would make me exit this world so quickly and peacefully, but the problem is that the society would rather have us suffer instead.
 
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betternever2havbeen

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@FuneralCry Yeh I wish I could get hold of some N too. Seems like being in the UK sucks more than anywhere else for trying to get it, especially now. I hope D can work around it and we'll have a few months where it's safe to order-only been on here a couple months but I assume people were getting N fairly easily before up until just recently, even in the UK. God how I wish I'd found this site a few months ago! Having said that I would probably be on the look out for police visits right now if I'd already ordered and I couldn't deal with that so maybe it is best to wait.

I'm looking more into sn now but worried my SI will kick in and I'll call for help cos I will panic for sure. Having said all that, before I came to this site I didn't even know about N and sn so I suppose I should be happy about finding out about the possibility of other options cos when I came here I was solely looking into hanging. Apart from the crazy idea I had to befriend someone in America and go over there and get a gun...which seems crazy now. Just taking something does seem far easier than having to physically kill yourself.
 
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@locked*n*loaded I guess before I came here I didn't really think there were all these methods-or at least "viable" methods. Do you mean CO as in what you'd do in a car generally? I kinda considered it but only briefly. I guess it is something to read up about if I can't get any N or can't bring myself to do sn.
 
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Poor Stargazer

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Mar 31, 2022
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Cyanide? Idk if those are still around, probably not. I know some cherry pits contain cyanide.
 
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locked*n*loaded

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@locked*n*loaded I guess before I came here I didn't really think there were all these methods-or at least "viable" methods. Do you mean CO as in what you'd do in a car generally? I kinda considered it but only briefly. I guess it is something to read up about if I can't get any N or can't bring myself to do sn.
Yeah, but you don't want to do it with a car. That's the way I was planning on ctb when I first got here, as I have an old car that will produce lots of CO, along with all the other noxious crap. Charcoal is much better. There's a guide in the forum for CO. The more I think about it, even if I can get N, I will still probably just go with CO.

I think CO gives me more control. I can run multiple tests to make sure I'm producing enough CO that will get the level up to at least 10,000 PPM within my enclosure (2 man tent). I can time how long it takes to get to it there. I can modify my procedure (amount of charcoal, time, etc) and run subsequent tests until I can repeat my procedure multiple times and gain confidence in it. There is some expense involved like chimney starters, metal buckets, charcoal, a tent, a meter that is capable of measuring high levels of CO, some firebrick, but it is still less money than buying N. From all of the reading I have done in these forums, and on the Internet in general, if you can get levels of CO to 10,000 PPM, or higher, death is assured with minutes. At those levels, unconsciousness occurs with seconds, maybe 20 or 30 seconds. That's pretty fast. Faster than N even. Once you're unconscious, death is only minutes away. Look at how many people die each year in their homes from CO poisoning, and the levels are nowhere near 10,000 PPM.

With N I have to worry about vomiting it up, possibly before enough is absorbed. Sure, there are drugs to take to reduce that possibility, but it's still a pretty good possibility even with them. And I really have no way of getting any meto, anyway. Same with SN, which is even more likely to be regurgitated. For either you have to have another dose prepared and be able to get it down should you vomit the first. It seems like so much is out of my control with either of those methods. With a gun I may flinch when squeezing the trigger, although I wouldn't use a firearm, anyway, as it's just not for me. I know a shotgun could be 100% if you place the barrel into your mouth and squeeze the trigger. Just not for me. How many posts about hanging have you seen that have ended in failure? Again, it seems like there are just too many variables with hanging that are out of my control. And I don't consider the firearm method or hanging to be peaceful methods. No, I think CO is the best, at least for me, and I'm fairly certain it's peaceful, at least as peaceful as possible. An OD on heroin may be peaceful, too, but I have no access to that.

I think with CO my fate of whether it is successful, or not, is completely in my hands, and I really like that. With CO, I won't have to concern myself with my body rejecting some poison and having to take a bunch of mitigating steps to counter that. This is where I am in my thinking right now.
 
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Cyanide? Idk if those are still around, probably not. I know some cherry pits contain cyanide.
If you read PPH cyanide isn't all that peaceful (rating=5/10), but is just usually quick. But there have been exceptions to the quick part too.

Barbiturates are the only real "peaceful pill" as long as you're not considering hard drugs like say F. People who were suicidal between like 50s-90s were so damn lucky. But of course they didnt have the internet, so many of them probably never even knew that barbiturates could give them a peaceful death AND were widely available, so probably ended up killing themselves painfully anyway. Cruel.
 
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Yeah, but you don't want to do it with a car. That's the way I was planning on ctb when I first got here, as I have an old car that will produce lots of CO, along with all the other noxious crap. Charcoal is much better. There's a guide in the forum for CO. The more I think about it, even if I can get N, I will still probably just go with CO.

I think CO gives me more control. I can run multiple tests to make sure I'm producing enough CO that will get the level up to at least 10,000 PPM within my enclosure (2 man tent). I can time how long it takes to get to it there. I can modify my procedure (amount of charcoal, time, etc) and run subsequent tests until I can repeat my procedure multiple times and gain confidence in it. There is some expense involved like chimney starters, metal buckets, charcoal, a tent, a meter that is capable of measuring high levels of CO, some firebrick, but it is still less money than buying N. From all of the reading I have done in these forums, and on the Internet in general, if you can get levels of CO to 10,000 PPM, or higher, death is assured with minutes. At those levels, unconsciousness occurs with seconds, maybe 20 or 30 seconds. That's pretty fast. Faster than N even. Once you're unconscious, death is only minutes away. Look at how many people die each year in their homes from CO poisoning, and the levels are nowhere near 10,000 PPM.

With N I have to worry about vomiting it up, possibly before enough is absorbed. Sure, there are drugs to take to reduce that possibility, but it's still a pretty good possibility even with them. And I really have no way of getting any meto, anyway. Same with SN, which is even more likely to be regurgitated. For either you have to have another dose prepared and be able to get it down should you vomit the first. It seems like so much is out of my control with either of those methods. With a gun I may flinch when squeezing the trigger, although I wouldn't use a firearm, anyway, as it's just not for me. I know a shotgun could be 100% if you place the barrel into your mouth and squeeze the trigger. Just not for me. How many posts about hanging have you seen that have ended in failure? Again, it seems like there are just too many variables with hanging that are out of my control. And I don't consider the firearm method or hanging to be peaceful methods. No, I think CO is the best, at least for me, and I'm fairly certain it's peaceful, at least as peaceful as possible. An OD on heroin may be peaceful, too, but I have no access to that.

I think with CO my fate of whether it is successful, or not, is completely in my hands, and I really like that. With CO, I won't have to concern myself with my body rejecting some poison and having to take a bunch of mitigating steps to counter that. This is where I am in my thinking right now.
@locked*n*loaded yeh I have come across charcoal posts but I haven't read any or looked into that at all yet so thanks for the recommendation. All that stuff sounds way too technical for me-I'm not that smart lol unfortunately.

Yeh I was leaning towards sn but after the recent posts of people freaking out and calling for an ambulance it's putting me off a bit...

Great info there, I could definitely have a read of the charcoal method, more options is always good!
 
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Unfortunately until sectors—like big pharma, health professionals and government—can no longer financially benefit from pro-life indoctrine can we hope for such an idea to come to fruition.
 
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@locked*n*loaded I've not looked into the procedure yet but yes this paragraph does sound rather complicated at first glance-

I think CO gives me more control. I can run multiple tests to make sure I'm producing enough CO that will get the level up to at least 10,000 PPM within my enclosure (2 man tent). I can time how long it takes to get to it there. I can modify my procedure (amount of charcoal, time, etc) and run subsequent tests until I can repeat my procedure multiple times and gain confidence in it. There is some expense involved like chimney starters, metal buckets, charcoal, a tent, a meter that is capable of measuring high levels of CO, some firebrick,
 
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locked*n*loaded

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@locked*n*loaded I've not looked into the procedure yet but yes this paragraph does sound rather complicated at first glance-
OK. All I was attempting to get at here was in regard to how much charcoal would be needed to reach a CO level of 10,000 PPM (parts per million) in the tent enclosure. 10,000 PPM is a concentration level of CO as measured against other gases in an enclosure (in this case) for a specific volume. All the space within the tent is its volume. There are other gases present in the volume, namely air, which is comprised of multiple gases. The CO level needs to reach a concentration level high enough to produce death.

Would 5 pounds of burning charcoal in a bucket produce a level of 10,000 PPM within the volume of the tent? I don't know. That's the purpose of the testing. It may take 10 pounds of burning charcoal to get to that level. The only way to know how much CO (concentration level) is being produced and if it's enough to get to that magic number of 10,000 PPM, is to measure it with a CO meter. So, I may ignite 5 pounds of charcoal, wait a bit until they get burning really well to red/white hot, place them into the tent, wait for a while, and then get a measurement.

If the level is, say, only 5000 PPM, as measured with my meter, with the 5 pounds of charcoal that I tested, on my next test, I would ignite 10 pounds of charcoal, place the charcoal into a couple buckets, wait a bit again until they are burning red/white hot, place the buckets into the tent, wait again and let the level of CO increase, and then take another measurement with my meter. If I measure 10,000 PPM, that's good. If not, I can run another test, but this time maybe I'll use 15 pounds of charcoal, ignite it, and place it into 3 buckets, and then place all 3 buckets into the tent. I'll measure again with the meter after a little time and see if I now have 10,000 PPM with the 15 pounds of charcoal.

What all this testing is really for is to make sure I'm using ENOUGH charcoal. I have a general idea that 3 buckets of charcoal, maybe 15 pounds, will produce a level of CO that is sufficient, but I need to see it (with the meter) to have confidence. CO is a method where more is better. But, there are space constraints, too, based on the tent size. It may be difficult to place 10 buckets containing 50 pounds of charcoal into a small tent, and still allow enough room for me to be in there, too. When I find an amount of charcoal that seems to produce enough CO, based on my meter readings, to get the level of CO in the tent to at least 10,000 PPM, I will repeat the test exactly as I did when I first got the reading I needed. I need to make sure my results are repeatable. Once I see they are, I can be confident that I can repeat the results again when the time comes for actual ctb, doing the procedure exactly as I had already done.

The meter to measure levels of CO up to 10,000 PPM costs around $350.00. Other than that, charcoal (good quality) is cheap, chimney starters are cheap, a few metal buckets are cheap, and a 2-man tent is relatively cheap. Maybe some tape, or some type of sealant to seal the seams in the tent, and that is all it really takes. Oh yeah, maybe some firebrick to place on the floor of the tent to place the hot buckets of burning charcoal on. Still cheap.

It is still way cheaper than buying N, and the materials are available just about anywhere. There are no customs checkpoints to go through, so no confiscation like with illegal substances. None of the stuff needed is illegal, so no LE issues. Unconsciousness, at levels of CO near the 10,000 PPM level, should occurs within 30 seconds, which is faster than N. After that, death should only be minutes away, also faster than N. There should be no vomiting. If worried about a headache occurring within the first 30 seconds until unconsciousness, take a handful of Advil or something beforehand. It should be a very peaceful way to ctb if done correctly.

When I get to the point of doing all this testing, and get all the materials, I will be posting pictures of the EXACT tent I bought, the EXACT charcoal I bought, the EXACT amount of charcoal that I found to produce the amount of CO necessary to bring the level to 10,000 PPM in the tent (as measured with my meter), the EXACT brand and type of charcoal I used, the EXACT amount of time I waited, from when I ignited the charcoal to when I placed it into buckets and then placed the buckets into the tent. I'll post how long I then waited until I recorded a measurement of CO, at least, at 10,000 PPM in the tent. I'll take pictures of the equipment I purchased, and of the readings on my meter. I'll post all of that. Everything I do should be able to be duplicated without going through all of the testing that I will have already done.

This is all a little ways off yet, though. I'm not ready to go quite yet. I have other things to take care of first. I hope this makes things a bit more clear. It's not as difficult as it sounds, really.
 
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betternever2havbeen

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@locked*n*loaded sure and thanks for explaining. I'm not scientifically minded so it seemed a little daunting at first, I'm pretty thick what can I say.

When I get to the point of doing all this testing, and get all the materials, I will be posting pictures of the EXACT tent I bought, the EXACT charcoal I bought, the EXACT amount of charcoal that I found to produce the amount of CO necessary to bring the level to 10,000 PPM in the tent (as measured with my meter), the EXACT brand and type of charcoal I used, the EXACT amount of time I waited, from when I ignited the charcoal to when I placed it into buckets and then placed the buckets into the tent. I'll post how long I then waited until I recorded a measurement of CO, at least, at 10,000 PPM in the tent. I'll take pictures of the equipment I purchased, and of the readings on my meter. I'll post all of that. Everything I do should be able to be duplicated without going through all of the testing that I will have already done.
That'll be really useful thanks in advance for doing that! I'm sure it'll help many.

This is all a little ways off yet, though. I'm not ready to go quite yet. I have other things to take care of first. I hope this makes things a bit more clear. It's not as difficult as it sounds, really.
Yes of course. This could probably be my second choice if I can't get N then.

Does such a thing really exist? I'm talking about something that will grant you a quick, painless exit within a few minutes. Is it hidden from public knowledge? I know SN is often talked about here, but it seems rather elaborate. I'm just asking.
Sorry if we kinda derailed the thread for a while. N is the closest thing to what you are asking. SN seems to be mostly painless for most although the other effects (fast heartbeat, vomiting, breathlessness) are what appear to be making a few people freak out and call for help. Although in a lot of cases it's because they haven't followed the advice and got the right stuff to take with it (because they can be hard to get hold of) so that could be why they didn't have the best experiences.