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Should jobs drug test?

  • No no no

    Votes: 8 40.0%
  • Yes

    Votes: 8 40.0%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 20.0%

  • Total voters
    20
Circles

Circles

There's a difference between existing and living.
Sep 3, 2018
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One aspect of living is sacrificing your right over what you can put into your body. However I do agree you shouldn't be under the influence while you are working a 'professional' job like being a surgeon or a lawyer. But does it matter if you do it responsibly in your own home and not hurting anyone in the process? For example, the only foreseeable careers that are even available to me are trade jobs and while there's nothing wrong with them it's just exhausting to think that I have to give up smoking pot and other drugs. I may have an addictive personality and I admit I hate being sober but damn I cannot grasp how I'll even be able to quit let alone have to keep working that job for years and the only substances available to me legally are alcohol, cigs, and pills. Just another reason added to the bunch to catch the bus.
 
Tiburcio

Tiburcio

Voluntary deletion.
May 9, 2018
1,573
I voted undecided because it depends. As you said a surgeon, lawyer, engineer, etc. can't work well under drugs and it can have terrible consequences. There are other jobs where you won't hurt nobody by drugs so then it doesn't care.

Also, I would ve very hypocrital restricting drugs in every work when I wanted to be permanently drunk when doing it so I understand where both sides coming from.
 
Circles

Circles

There's a difference between existing and living.
Sep 3, 2018
1,728
Any job that requires operating heavy machinery, or anything that could put another person in harms way due to your inability to properly
execute your duty, should have drug tests.
Well I've seen enough roughnecks and crane operators to know
a lot of them use meth, speed, coke, etc. just to get more hours in. Not saying I agree with them put even I take pills at work cause of my back/knee problems so I'd be a hypocrite to say otherwise.
 
satou

satou

not yet
Sep 3, 2018
225
I think drug testing is an invasion of your own physical integrity and privacy and I see no reason why companies should be granted this power.

Arguments about safety have been mentioned, but even then I think a reactive approach is generally best. In other words, testing only if there is reason to believe someone has a substance abuse problem that is endangering others.

The only exception I can think of is that of professional athletes and performance-enhancing drugs.
 
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Ben

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Sep 12, 2018
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Well I've seen enough roughnecks and crane operators to know
a lot of them use meth, speed, coke, etc. just to get more hours in. Not saying I agree with them put even I take pills at work cause of my back/knee problems so I'd be a hypocrite to say otherwise.

Oh yea, I’ve worked the oil field before. Everyone does blow. “No drug policy” is really the “don’t smoke weed” policy.

That being said, I disagree with it still. They work without incident, until they don’t, and somebody dies because they are focused on 12 things at once.
 
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Circles

There's a difference between existing and living.
Sep 3, 2018
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I voted undecided because it depends. As you said a surgeon, lawyer, engineer, etc. can't work well under drugs and it can have terrible consequences. There are other jobs where you won't hurt nobody by drugs so then it doesn't care.

Also, I would ve very hypocrital restricting drugs in every work when I wanted to be permanently drunk when doing it so I understand where both sides coming from.

"There are other jobs where you won't hurt nobody by drugs so then it doesn't care." - which is what I'm getting at. Most people don't work in professional settings and most jobs are just that: a mundane pointless job. But yet all these low level companies and the bourgeoisie expect you to act accordingly to their 'standards' and act like it's a grand opportunity to give up one of the few remaining freedoms we have which is to put whatever we want in our bodies. It's just another form of control it's sickening.
 
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Ben

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Sep 12, 2018
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I think drug testing is an invasion of your own physical integrity and privacy and I see no reason why companies should be granted this power.

Arguments about safety have been mentioned, but even then I think a reactive approach is generally best. In other words, testing only if there is reason to believe someone has a substance abuse problem that is endangering others.

The only exception I can think of is that of professional athletes and performance-enhancing drugs.

That’s a dangerous approach. You cannot tell who has a drug problem based on first impressions, or even 50th impressions. Everyone should be allowed to do whatever drugs they choose on their OWN time.

I’m not speaking in generalities. I know there are jobs out there that make no difference is the employee is high or not. But, there are also jobs where you can kill people if you are not safe. That’s why it’s not safe to say no company has the right to drug test. Of course they do! What if you kill somebody? I have no value on my own life, but I still respect the lives of people who want to to live...

If you have a drug problem, it would be kind of you to have a job where your actions will not affect others lives in a serious way.
 
Circles

Circles

There's a difference between existing and living.
Sep 3, 2018
1,728
Oh yea, I’ve worked the oil field before. Everyone does blow. “No drug policy” is really the “don’t smoke weed” policy.

That being said, I disagree with it still. They work without incident, until they don’t, and somebody dies because they are focused on 12 things at once.
I kinda feel like certain jobs require too much for a person to do especially manual labor/trade jobs. Working 12+ hours without a break standing on your feet all day and straining your body to its limit. I can see why a lot use drugs cause it takes the edge off and numbs the pain.
 
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Ben

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Sep 12, 2018
785
"There are other jobs where you won't hurt nobody by drugs so then it doesn't care." - which is what I'm getting at. Most people don't work in professional settings and most jobs are just that: a mundane pointless job. But yet all these low level companies and the bourgeoisie expect you to act accordingly to their 'standards' and act like it's a grand opportunity to give up one of the few remaining freedoms we have which is to put whatever we want in our bodies. It's just another form of control it's sickening.

Mundane pointless jobs, sure, show up as fucked up as you want

Operating a crane on a building downtown above a busy street? Yea if you ain’t sober, I’d kick you off the controls too.
 
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Ben

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Sep 12, 2018
785
I kinda feel like certain jobs require too much for a person to do especially manual labor/trade jobs. Working 12+ hours without a break standing on your feet all day and straining your body to its limit. I can see why a lot use drugs cause it takes the edge off and numbs the pain.

I’ve worked the oil field. I’ve been a cribber, framer, and a mover for 8 years. I know about hard physical labour as much as anybody else. If somebody on my crew was not fully capable of using their motor function skills correctly, it puts the rest of us in severe danger.

Certain trades and jobs have every right to drug test their employees
 
Circles

Circles

There's a difference between existing and living.
Sep 3, 2018
1,728
Mundane pointless jobs, sure, show up as fucked up as you want

Operating a crane on a building downtown above a busy street? Yea if you ain’t sober, I’d kick you off the controls too.
Which is understandable while using heavy machinery. Also I'm not saying you should do drugs while you're at work, I'm only considering when people are off and are at home. If their addiction is at bay and they can control then why not? But if it's becomes a problem and a guy shows up belligerently drunk on site expected to work in unsafe conditions then I completely agree. I just don't like the idea of a job telling me what I can or can't do with my off time that is all.
 
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Ben

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Sep 12, 2018
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Which is understandable while using heavy machinery. Also I'm not saying you should do drugs while you're at work, I'm only considering when people are off and are at home. If their addiction is at bay and they can control then why not? But if it's becomes a problem and a guy shows up belligerently drunk on site expected to work in unsafe conditions then I completely agree. I just don't like the idea of a job telling me what I can or can't do with my off time that is all.

Ohhh I’m playing the good guy here but just know I agree. The system is inherently flawed.

Some people need the drugs to function, but can’t function at work on the drugs, so they get fired, and can’t afford the drugs, and then can’t function at all.

The fuckin way she goes eh
 
satou

satou

not yet
Sep 3, 2018
225
That’s a dangerous approach. You cannot tell who has a drug problem based on first impressions, or even 50th impressions. Everyone should be allowed to do whatever drugs they choose on their OWN time.

Most drugs definitely have tells: physical signs like red eyes, sluggish or hyperactive movement, unusual behaviour like altered speech.

I’m not speaking in generalities. I know there are jobs out there that make no difference is the employee is high or not. But, there are also jobs where you can kill people if you are not safe. That’s why it’s not safe to say no company has the right to drug test. Of course they do! What if you kill somebody? I have no value on my own life, but I still respect the lives of people who want to to live...

Do I think people should drive on drugs? No, because a car can easily kill if not driven safely. Doesn't mean I think everybody who has a license should be regularly drug tested. Just pull them over if they appear unable to drive safely. When people drive drunk or stoned, it's fairly obvious.

I think targeting individuals and infringing on their rights should not be the first go to method to fix ills of society like drug abuse. Do I think there are some limited exceptions where drug testing might be warranted? Sure... but I definitely don't think it should be up to companies to decide what those exceptions are.

If you have a drug problem, it would be kind of you to have a job where your actions will not affect others lives in a serious way.

I do fly passenger airplanes and I like to take a bonghit in the cockpit while flying through turbulence. But with modern autopilot these babies basically fly themselves so it's fine really... if I really need to pay attention I just snort some coke of the control panel to get focused again.
 
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mattwitt

mattwitt

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Jun 28, 2018
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Drugs make people pathetically lazy, stupid, and unsafe among other things at the workplace.
 
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MEoDP

MEoDP

Specialist
Sep 2, 2018
347
Honestly,as long as the person's doing their job well and not getting high at work,it shouldn't be anyone's goddamn business if people want to play with recreational substances in the privacy of their homes or when not at work.

Cut the 9-5 work shift in half,and I believe that would be far more beneficial with having productive workers. working 8 hours a day or more is not really healthy for you.
 
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Midnight

Midnight

Beyond solace
Jun 30, 2018
625
Yes. When you have any possibilty to put others at risk being high then i feel that drug tests would be in order.

Used to work in a factory where a "friend" of mine drove a forklift. Dude got to work high and was smoking weed during lunch break. In my current job there is also a weed enthousiast ... I don't feel safe arround these people. To each their own but don't put me at risk of injury because of drugs. I could care less about what they do in their free time but the workplace is something else.

Both of these people had the reaction time of a sloth ... It was just ridiculous.
 
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