Anarchy

Anarchy

Invisible anarchist
Jul 9, 2018
384
I hate when people turn all of your distress into an opportunity for them be a 'good' person and do their 'job' of 'helping' you. They just make it all about them. They see you suffering, and instead of being concerned and treating you with compassion and respect, they just see a problem that needs to be fixed. That THEY need to fix. And then, if you continue being distressed, they get angry and frustrated with you. It's not even their fucking business - they obviously don't care how you feel, otherwise they wouldn't make you feel even worse by disrespecting you. But, they turn it into their business. And suddenly it isn't even about the distressed person: it's all about the other person and how they need to do what THEY think is right, just to get some personal satisfaction from it.
By making it into their problem, they give themselves a free pass to insult and offend the other person. Distressed person feels bad about being shamed? Doesn't matter, because that wasn't the other person's intention. Besides, the other person knows what's best for them, right? So, even though shaming and blaming the distressed person makes them feel bad, putting them at a higher risk of killing themselves, which is the exactly what people claim to want to avoid, it's okay, because the other person thinks what they're saying is right. And being right is obviously more important than the actual proclaimed aim of these verbal attacks - suicide prevention. Why make someone want to live when you have the chance to be right?
And then, these idiots are entitled enough to claim that arguing with the person for not 'getting better' and the like, is actually what will prevent suicide. Well, I would like somebody to explain just how in the hell insulting and belittling people will prevent suicide. Oh, right, I forgot, it will because other people think it will, and whatever they think must be right because they're morally infallible angels.
Thye think that it's more important to follow their morals and do what they think is right rather than make the distressed person feel better. Even though making the distressed person feel better is exactly the thing that will help. But if you bring this up, they'll go on about how they are helping because they're doing as much as they can, and they'll make the distressed person feel even worse for 'rejecting help'. They have an attitude of "I'm trying my best here, so you have no right to be offended by me".
All of these suicide hotlines, and psychriatic hospitals, and mental health professionals... they make people lose sight of the real goal. Sure, they can help some people, but... I think that it's just a bit odd. It's odd that people see a distressed person and immeditately they think of those things, and they barely even think about making the other person feel better. People forget, or ignore the fact that the only thing that will make someone better is something that makes them feel better, not what others think will make them feel better.
There are a lot of suicidal people who wouldn't even feel suicidal if they had someone who talked them calmly and were compassionate and respectful towards them. But if they say that that's what they want, people make out that they're unreasonable because apparently such an approach is seemingly too simple to make someone want to live.
So, these people use other people's suffering to give them their daily fix of moral satisfaction, and then they have the audacity to make them feel bad for not wanting their 'help'. They resort to lines such as "I'm only frustrated with you because I love you", and, "You say you don't like me shouting but you were shouting at me".
They think that whatever they do is acceptable because 'their heart is in the right place'. But really, they are just as bad, or maybe even worse, than people who want suicidal people to suffer. At least the latter group have no discrepancies between what they say and do.
 
Tiburcio

Tiburcio

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May 9, 2018
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Normally people just want to keep life like if it was a treasure but not ever.

There are some people who are really worried by us, who care about us and they can't think in the idea of we kill ourselves. Sometimes they really are trying to help but we are so desesperated or destroyed that we simply can't be helped.

I hate hearing it from the rest of the persons but when somebody really wants the best for me, I appreciate it, they are really trying to help somebody... but sadly, we just can't live how we truly deserve. But I think they should support us more in what we think it's the best for us.
 
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Anarchy

Anarchy

Invisible anarchist
Jul 9, 2018
384
I admire the people who genuinely care, but it just makes me angry when people force themselves on the suicidal person, claiming to care but just insulting them. The worst thing about it, is that it's not even called verbal abuse, it's just called tough love.
The world needs more people who genuinely care.
 
Brokenanddeadinside

Brokenanddeadinside

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Aug 8, 2018
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I usually dont tell many people I know about my issues nor do many offer to help me. I had one girl though from another country I was friends with that helped me after a horrible breakup and was suicidal and she talked to me on the phone while I broke down.and she made me feel a little better.
 
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Anarchy

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Jul 9, 2018
384
I don't tell people; I barely even speak, but my parents know. I wish that I'd never let them find out. I'd rather be homeless than live with them.
 
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ya my father knows but hes suicidal himself but he stays alive because he knows if he was to die how much of a mess I would be even though I tell him he doesnt have to stay alive anymore for me that he deserves peace.
 
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Anarchy

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Jul 9, 2018
384
It must be liberating to have a parent who understands suicidility well. Do you plan to tell him when you decide to end it?
 
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It must be liberating to have a parent who understands suicidility well. Do you plan to tell him when you decide to end it?
ya it is ive known most of my life about him being suicidal 5 years ago I made a agreement with him if he could give me 5 years of him being alive then he could end it. He still decides to stay alive for me even though he doesn't have too and no I dont he has told me if I kill myself to kill him before myself so he doesnt know but I could never shoot my father.
 
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Anarchy

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Jul 9, 2018
384
So your plan is to wait until he kills himself and then do it?
 
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Brokenanddeadinside

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So your plan is to wait until he kills himself and then do it?
Kinda but idk if ill kill myself right after depending on where my life is by then most likely way ill probably die is by drug overdose.
 
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Jul 9, 2018
384
Sounds like a nice way to go; I'd prefer a slow death personally but overdose isn't an option for me. I wonder how peaceful it would be, after the vomiting.
 
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Sounds like a nice way to go; I'd prefer a slow death personally but overdose isn't an option for me. I wonder how peaceful it would be, after the vomiting.
Ya idk if it will even be peaceful things affect me in a weird way. I was using hard drugs in the past and ended up in convulsions off and on for 6 hours and gasping for air before I went to er because my friend was worried and probably would of died if I didnt due to it was 3 days of using and wasnt eating or drinking anything besides alcohol.
 
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Anarchy

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Jul 9, 2018
384
Sounds painful. Hopefully it won't be like that when you actually attempt. Would you ever 'accidentally' die of an overdose, or would you not want your dad to deal with your death even if he didn't know that you planned it?
 
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Sounds painful. Hopefully it won't be like that when you actually attempt. Would you ever 'accidentally' die of an overdose, or would you not want your dad to deal with your death even if he didn't know that you planned it?
Ya it wasnt fun and its possible if i started using again but no I never want him to deal with my death. My mother was killed in a motorcycle accident when i was 8 months old which fucked my father up majorly and I couldn't do that to him even though ive come close too before.
 
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Anarchy

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Jul 9, 2018
384
Seems like you'll have to wait a long time before you attempt, but at least you can die with the peace of mind that your dad will never know.
 
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Seems like you'll have to wait a long time before you attempt, but at least you can die with the peace of mind that your dad will never know.
Ya probably a couple years maybe less depending on how things go. I pretty much am living to see how much pain i can handle and to see how worse things get, maybe things will get better but I doubt it.
 
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Well, even if they don't, you'll be able to know how your life would have gone. I used to wonder a lot about how my life would be, but I think ever since I became suicidal, there hasn't really been a chance of it improving because my suicidility made things worse. I suppose things could have gotten better if I hadn't been ignored...but maybe it was always going to be that way anyway. I sometimes think that everything is as it's meant to be, because if my life was meant to be good, then there would be something for me to live for - it wouldn't have all gone to shit.
 
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Brokenanddeadinside

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Aug 8, 2018
395
Well, even if they don't, you'll be able to know how your life would have gone. I used to wonder a lot about how my life would be, but I think ever since I became suicidal, there hasn't really been a chance of it improving because my suicidility made things worse. I suppose things could have gotten better if I hadn't been ignored...but maybe it was always going to be that way anyway. I sometimes think that everything is as it's meant to be, because if my life was meant to be good, then there would be something for me to live for - it wouldn't have all gone to shit.
Ya I know what you mean and ive been suicidal for a long time my life has just gone downhill one thing after another. One thing I wonder about is how my life would have turned out if my mother was alive and didnt die in a accident when I was 8 months old.
 
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384
I think most people's life would be quite dramatically different if they had a different family situation.
 
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I think most people's life would be quite dramatically different if they had a different family situation.
Ya my life really started going downhill when I was in college to become a psychologist as my life goal and my grandmother I was living with kicked me and my father out over a small argument due to her being influenced by her nephew to get her will changed leaving me completely out of it. Had to leave college and my whole life behind and that is when my life started going completely to shit.
 
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Anarchy

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Jul 9, 2018
384
Sounds your life would have been very different if it weren't for your grandmother...
I don't think my situation would be that different if I had different parents; it'd probably be more bearable but then I'd still get ignored. But I'd probably be happier at home, at least.
 
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Sounds your life would have been very different if it weren't for your grandmother...
I don't think my situation would be that different if I had different parents; it'd probably be more bearable but then I'd still get ignored. But I'd probably be happier at home, at least.
Ya it would have and this was my mothers mother not my fathers and I loved her. I even tried forgiving her one year on the phone and she told me to pretty much go to hell and blamed everything on me saying I left her when she threw me out. Shes dead now and when I got her will the guy that convinced her to kick me out got the house that was supposed to go to me and she gave 10k to her flower lady and the rest donated I was left completely out of it.
 
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10k to the flower lady and not a penny for you...that's harsh.
How come she was so against you, do you think?
 
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10k to the flower lady and not a penny for you...that's harsh.
How come she was so against you, do you think?
Yep and no idea she had dementia I suspected and was probably manipulated I did absolutely nothing i stayed out of the argument. When all this happened when I was given 30 days to move I listened through the wall and heard her say I had to go also like I did something wrong when I did nothing.
 
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Anarchy

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Jul 9, 2018
384
A lot of people seem to just have something against another person for seemingly no reason; she probably makes you out to be someone completely different in her mind. Maybe she was easily manipulated because of her dementia.
 
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A lot of people seem to just have something against another person for seemingly no reason; she probably makes you out to be someone completely different in her mind. Maybe she was easily manipulated because of her dementia.
Ya idk but doesnt matter anyway but she was not a great person she talked behind peoples back and a long time ago she hated my father for no reason and I think after my mother died she blamed my father when it wasnt his fault at all.
 
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