Yukako

Yukako

because im arrogant and hate all you stand for
Sep 27, 2021
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Been smoking for like 6 months now and i still don't feel anything good at all, I've heard that nicotine might help you feel relaxed or something like that, is it true or it's just gonna make me feel worse?, does smoking even has something to do with depression in a good or bad way?.
I wouldn't say i'm addicted to it so i can still cut it off...
 
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timf

Mage
Mar 26, 2020
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Smoking may help give a person something to do with his hands and thus relieve anxiety. The carbon monoxide results in a smoker having a greater amount of hemoglobin in his blood to try to get the oxygen to the cells. However, I do not see this as having any effect on depression.

If you continue smoking, you may wish to put a little spit in the filter. This swells the fibers in the filter and traps some of the larger tar particles to keep them from lodging in your lungs. It is better for your health but does make for smelly ashtrays.
 
Yukako

Yukako

because im arrogant and hate all you stand for
Sep 27, 2021
18
Smokers are actually more likely to develop depression and anxiety over time after the initial mood boost
damn... then i'll try to quit, it's true that sometimes I get really anxious after smoking one. Thanks for answering.
 
motyxia

motyxia

less than him
Oct 14, 2021
168
I'm addicted to nicotine. Before you're addicted it's a stimulant. After you're addicted it's more of a depressant. A very pointless addiction, it just makes you feel however your normal feels, not good. If youre not addicted I suggest stopping. Or at least switch to vaping. I vape nic salts now. Not much physical danger with vaping, but still a waste of money & if you run out & can't get more nic salts in time you deal with withdrawals.
 
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Yukako

because im arrogant and hate all you stand for
Sep 27, 2021
18
I'm addicted to nicotine. Before you're addicted it's a stimulant. After you're addicted it's more of a depressant. A very pointless addiction, it just makes you feel however your normal feels, not good. If youre not addicted I suggest stopping. Or at least switch to vaping. I vape nic salts now. Not much physical danger with vaping, but still a waste of money & if you run out & can't get more nic salts in time you deal with withdrawals.
I'll keep it in mind, thanks for answering.
 
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stellabelle

stellabelle

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Dec 14, 2018
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Been smoking for like 6 months now and i still don't feel anything good at all, I've heard that nicotine might help you feel relaxed or something like that, is it true or it's just gonna make me feel worse?, does smoking even has something to do with depression in a good or bad way?.
I wouldn't say i'm addicted to it so i can still cut it off...
Smoking. Boring. Doesn’t help. Just an oral fixation. Does nicotine do something for you? Maybe the first cigarette or in the beginning but the tolerance goes up and then it just becomes a nitty gritty filthy habit.
 
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Flippy

Flippy

Send me off to bed for evermore
Jan 5, 2020
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I've quit smoking, or at least in the literal sense I have and switched to vaping. Now it could be because I never had a huge habit (usually no more than between 7-10 per day, and if busy probably less than that) but it did have, I'll call it, a therapeutic effect for me.

It can help with anxiety, however, it's not something I would recommend taking up. It is of course bad for you.

I've found that vaping more or less keeps me from craving. But it's not just as simple as needing nicotine. I found that normal vaping liquid made me sick and to be honest didn't have any of that "oh I fancy a quiet moment and enjoy a cigarette" type attraction to it. In fact, after about 6 months I often forgot about the vape pen completely.

Then as often happens for me this time of year, my mood started get a bit churned up. It's either going to go super low or if I'm lucky, it may go high. The anticipation was causing anxiety so I found myself reaching for the vape. But it didn't help the way a traditional cigarette would and just resulted in me feeling sick and on top of that, pretty anxious.

In the end I discovered that cigarette smoke contains other chemicals/alkaloids that work with the nicotine and can be relaxing. So I did a bit of digging and found "Whole Tobacco Alkaloid" e-liquid. After a lot of messing about tracking down a reputable retailer, I finally tried some. It worked for me. But perhaps not quite the way a traditional cigarette would. But I will take it!

So for anyone reading this who finds e-cigs just don't quite do it for them. Try some WTA e-liquid. It's a bit more expensive but worth it in my experience.

So I wouldn't try to resolve depression and or anxiety with tobacco. If you are of a mind that nicotine with help, perhaps switch to vaping with wta e-liquid. It will be better for your health at least. But possibly still addictive and possibly more so with WTA liquids.

I have a theory that some people are addicted to nicotine while others are self medicating. This is why I think some people switch to vaping without issue as they have the chemical they need. While others need the full spectrum of feel good chemicals. It's just my theory and I ain't a doctor. But it's food for thought I think.
 
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callme

callme

Warlock
Aug 15, 2021
703
I recently gave Karelia menthols a try as somebody who never smoked. What a waste of time. This calming down nerves myth has gotten out of hand. The more tobacco, the worse cigarettes taste. How does it calm your nerves, wouldn't you be nervous and angered if you wake up in the middle of the night coughing out your guts out of your clogged and irreparably damaged throat and lungs?

Especially since it will cost you money.
 
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Flippy

Flippy

Send me off to bed for evermore
Jan 5, 2020
831
I recently gave Karelia menthols a try as somebody who never smoked. What a waste of time. This calming down nerves myth has gotten out of hand. The more tobacco, the worse cigarettes taste. How does it calm your nerves, wouldn't you be nervous and angered if you wake up in the middle of the night coughing out your guts out of your clogged and irreparably damaged throat and lungs?

Especially since it will cost you money.
The longer you smoke the more your body's response reduces to the particulates in the smoke. So your defenses are reduced, which can cause more harm to your throat and lungs.

The sad fact of the matter is, that the chemicals in tobacco can be a very rapid way of reducing an acute attack of nerves or anxiety. It's relaxing. But very bad for you.

The coughing is your body telling you to stop. It's perhaps worth following it's advice.

I don't think many people start off with the intention of being a habitual smoker. They try it for numerous reasons. Perhaps it helps them feel better when the world just presents them with shit. Then they get hooked.

For many smokers, it's a nice interlude to have a cigarette break. Really in a lot of ways, (excluding 2nd hand smoke) it's no different to having a cup of tea. It's just as far as we know, tea doesn't give you cancer.

I suspect that if science discovered that tea had in fact been a leading cause of cancer that had not been detected, there would be very little willingness to quit tea. Or very little appetite to shame tea drinkers.

To be honest I think the way people in the medical and mental health industry treat smokers, who are statistically more likely to have mental illness, is pretty disgusting. I've heard such pearls of wisdom as "It's just like being a heroine addict!" Well, no it's not, it's sold legally in just about every corner store. People generally don't rob people to fund their habit. And finally, have you ever seen the state of someone who just took a hit of heroin? I can tell you (after tragically discovering several of my friends just had) "functional" is not a word you could use to describe them.

It's a bad idea to start smoking for any reason. But if you feel like shit everyday, and feel suicidal. The life reducing effects of tobacco can seem like a moot point. So I'm not surprised that depressed people are more likely to smoke.

But when it comes to persuading them to stop. You need a little more carrot than the fucking big stick most people use. Comparing smokers to heroin addicts is perverse and not constructive.

The best way is not to give people another excuse to dismiss your problems by taking up smoking and just don't start.

For what it's worth, I do so enjoy watching my doctors squirm when I tell them I don't smoke. They've been chalking every problem I have up to being a smoker. It's just so fun to see the look on their faces. It's actually far more satisfying than any cigarette.
 
souljahwitch

souljahwitch

sleep in a coffin, wake up, drinking coffee
Apr 19, 2019
48
cut it off as long as you can... there arent really benefits other than maybe small breaks at work
 
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Manaaja

Manaaja

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Sep 10, 2018
742
cut it off as long as you can... there arent really benefits other than maybe small breaks at work
About smoking breaks at work. Someone told that a few decades ago smoke breaks were really common at workplaces, and his workplace allowed smoke breaks too.

The man's coworkers went outside to smoke for 10 minutes every hour while the man stayed alone inside working. The situation continued for months, he'd diligently work inside only taking two breaks a day (lunch and snack breaks), while his coworkers had seven ten minute smoke breaks plus a lunch break and a snack break (so 7x10minutes+45minutes+15minutes=2 hours and 10 minutes spent on breaks).

One time he needed some fresh air and decided to follow the smoking coworkers when they went to a smoke break. His boss was one of the smokers and instantly started complaining "Hey, you aren't allowed to take a smoke break! You are not a smoker! Go back to do your work!".

Luckily times have changed.
 
Flippy

Flippy

Send me off to bed for evermore
Jan 5, 2020
831
About smoking breaks at work. Someone told that a few decades ago smoke breaks were really common at workplaces, and his workplace allowed smoke breaks too.

The man's coworkers went outside to smoke for 10 minutes every hour while the man stayed alone inside working. The situation continued for months, he'd diligently work inside only taking two breaks a day (lunch and snack breaks), while his coworkers had seven ten minute smoke breaks plus a lunch break and a snack break (so 7x10minutes+45minutes+15minutes=2 hours and 10 minutes spent on breaks).

One time he needed some fresh air and decided to follow the smoking coworkers when they went to a smoke break. His boss was one of the smokers and instantly started complaining "Hey, you aren't allowed to take a smoke break! You are not a smoker! Go back to do your work!".

Luckily times have changed.
I always personally waited until my lunch break. I used to always get pretty pissed at people nipping out every hour or two to smoke.

It's worse when people chastise you for "taking smoking breaks all the time" when you don't. One of the worst jobs I had, I was at my "appraisal meeting" where I was reprimanded for "sneaking out". I never did. Again if you smoke you are guilty by default.

Most of my jobs have been ones where you can't just nip out (factory work) so it's never occurred to me to smoke at any other time other than my break.
 
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FTL.Wanderer

FTL.Wanderer

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May 31, 2018
1,792
One of my old therapists actually suggested I take up smoking. Another advised me to indulge an eating disorder as a better alternative to suicide. Par for the course with therapists, in my experience. Needless to say, I've lost all respect for the counseling arts in the US.
 
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Flippy

Send me off to bed for evermore
Jan 5, 2020
831
One of my old therapists actually suggested I take up smoking. Another advised me to indulge an eating disorder as a better alternative to suicide. Par for the course with therapists, in my experience. Needless to say, I've lost all respect for the counseling arts in the US.
I seriously hope there's a special place in hell for "professionals" who say things like that.

No doubt they recommend these actions so that they can have a reason to blame you for your condition and have plausible deniability. Then they can triumphantly claim they cured you of your "smoking addiction" and "eating disorder" and you will look like the crazy one claiming that they recommend them! :hmph:
 
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Blowba

Blowba

A Girl on the Shore
Aug 12, 2018
74
As a person who used to smoke it helped with my depression during the meantime but when i quit it really fucked with me cause I used it as a coping mechanism and I get anxiety when im depressed cause I just really wanna smoke or I get this weird tingling sensation when I am super depressed to dmoke
 
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hopeisgone

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Jan 13, 2021
26
I think it has the illusion of reducing anxiety. I read that nicotine withdrawal (imperceptibly) adds to the anxiety you're already feeling and so of course when you light up, it does have the effect of relieving some of your anxiety, but it's actually only just relieving the anxiety of the withdrawal in the first place. Still, it totally FEELS as if it works. Smokers are often in a state of some level of withdrawal as the brain needs nicotine often. So it's like every time you have a cig, you feel less anxious than before, but only cos the lack of nicotine was making you more anxious in the first place. But yeah, I dunno if it's true.

Either way, with how depressed I am all the time, there's no way in the world I could quit smoking for the foreseeable future. And it's probably the least of my problems... cigarettes are my best friends (sad but true)! Pretty sure smokers do have a higher incidence of depression and other mental health issues... If you're not addicted you should absolutely stop before it's too late. As much as I enjoy smoking, I wish I never started. It's an expensive, gross, pointless habit. But it's too late for me now so I've embraced it lol.
 
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souljahwitch

souljahwitch

sleep in a coffin, wake up, drinking coffee
Apr 19, 2019
48
About smoking breaks at work. Someone told that a few decades ago smoke breaks were really common at workplaces, and his workplace allowed smoke breaks too.

The man's coworkers went outside to smoke for 10 minutes every hour while the man stayed alone inside working. The situation continued for months, he'd diligently work inside only taking two breaks a day (lunch and snack breaks), while his coworkers had seven ten minute smoke breaks plus a lunch break and a snack break (so 7x10minutes+45minutes+15minutes=2 hours and 10 minutes spent on breaks).

One time he needed some fresh air and decided to follow the smoking coworkers when they went to a smoke break. His boss was one of the smokers and instantly started complaining "Hey, you aren't allowed to take a smoke break! You are not a smoker! Go back to do your work!".

Luckily times have changed.
yea i think its still like that in many places, where smokers can more or less go outside for a cig whenever they want. at other work places smokers have to sign out for the break so they dont get paid for the time their smoking. its pretty random how much it gets tolerated
 
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Jacket

Jacket

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Oct 13, 2021
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Pretty sure nicotine consumption has little to no effect on depression, although I believe it can reduce anxiety.
 
GenesAndEnvironment

GenesAndEnvironment

#Thlammed
Jan 26, 2021
4,711
Less than 1/5 of smokers get lung cancer, not sure about the level of risk in regards to other health problems. I just took one day off from smoking, trying to make it an occasional thing. I have no other reason to go outside aside from gym/groceries, so it kind of serves a purpose for me. Going outside, getting some cancer air, sunlight, etc.
 
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noname223

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Aug 18, 2020
1,183
To smoke can increase depression. I am very anti-drugs and most drugs increase depression. There are experimental drugs that show positive impact in some patients. But never do that shit without a doctor. You rather end as an addict.
 

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