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FinalBossu

FinalBossu

Member
Feb 24, 2021
14
I bought some SN around 2 years ago but I don't know if it's still good to use. Does anyone know if this stuff expires? Should I be looking for another source or should I just hold on to what I have?
 
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onetapgandhi

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Oct 4, 2022
124
Yes, they moved the documents to a different server.

You can find quite a few publications on SN on their new site.

"Fatal methemoglobinemia: A case series highlighting a new trend in intentional sodium nitrite or sodium nitrate ingestion as a method of suicide" (September 2021) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34298207/


Ok. I found this article in the Journal of Emergency Medicine "Sodium Nitrite Ingestion: an Emerging Trend in Suicide Attempts Shared via Online Communities" March 2021, but it's behind a paywall and I can't successfully link to it.

However - they did publish a table with vital signs of 5 patients who came to the ER with SN poisoning:

Patient 1
17 yr old female, arrived at hospital without heartbeat (HB)/blood pressure at 0, Oxygen Saturation at 79%, Peak Methoglobin level 84, Meth Blue administered once, deceased.

Patient 2
35 yr old male, arrived with regular HB, low blood pressure, Oxygen Sat at 80%, Peak Methoglobin level 80, Meth Blue given 2x, deceased.

Patient 3
17 yr old female, ingested 21 g of SN, arrived with rapid HB, regular blood pressure, Oxygen Sat at 84%, Peak Methoglobin over 24, Meth Blue given once, survived.

Patient 4
24 yr old male, arrived with rapid HB, regular blood pressure, Oxygen Sat at 87%, Peak Methoglobin at 69, Meth Blue given 2x, survived.

Patient 5
22 yr old male, slightly elevated HB, very low blood pressure, Oxygen Sat at 80%, Peak Methoglobin (not measured until after Meth Blue was given). They administered meth blue 4 (!) times and he still passed away.

Found a few snippets (more details on each patient and how they presented to the ER) published here:

The people who survived received Methylene Blue early enough.
Those who passed away had cardiac arrests before Meth Blue could be administered (sometimes with significant delay).

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July 2022:
Both cases reported here survived (one took about 10g, one less than 1 g), as they both presented to ER within a short timeframe:
"Suicide attempt using sodium nitrite ordered on the internet: Two case reports"


June 2021:
One case reported, 37 yr old female, deceased. Unfortunately behind a paywall, but description says "found in bed with water bottle containing SN and a plastic bag with several medications and a suicide note"
"Another suicide by sodium nitrite and multiple drugs: an alarming trend for "exit"?"

I guess I should buy a pulse oximeter because it does seem like if the Oxygen saturation goes below 85, there's really no chance
 
wljourney

wljourney

Waiting for the bus
Apr 2, 2022
1,370
I guess I should buy a pulse oximeter because it does seem like if the Oxygen saturation goes below 85, there's really no chance
You could use a pulse oximeter, yes. However one of the studies I read mentioned that PO's overestimated saturation in this specific situation. Apparently the can't properly interpret readings when it comes to methemoglobinemia.

And after all... once your saturation is that low, you will start to feel dizzy/disoriented and there will be little benefit of knowing if it's at 87 or 84. I would expect not even to be aware of the info / not able to process if someone told you what your sats are at.
 
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onetapgandhi

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Oct 4, 2022
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You could use a pulse oximeter, yes. However one of the studies I read mentioned that PO's overestimated saturation in this specific situation. Apparently the can't properly interpret readings when it comes to methemoglobinemia.

And after all... once your saturation is that low, you will start to feel dizzy/disoriented and there will be little benefit of knowing if it's at 87 or 84. I would expect not even to be aware of the info / not able to process if someone told you what your sats are at.
Wheels are set in motion. I just need to get alone now and take the damn thing.
 
wljourney

wljourney

Waiting for the bus
Apr 2, 2022
1,370
Crossposting this because... reasons.
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With the increased attention surrounding this latest lawsuit against Amazon, MSM articles and tweets by lawyers suing Amazon....

I hope everyone realizes that this will also bring lurkers to SaSu.

The article below names SaSu specifically and there have been tons of people showing up in the last 48 hrs asking for SN sources.

Remember:
- sharing sources is against forum rules.
- careful who you DM with
- people are sometimes not who they claim to be. Its the internet y'all.



 
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grp35

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Sep 22, 2022
37
Just got my SN from IC. Arrived 7 days ahead of schedule (I’m in Asia). Hope you all can get yours soon.

I’m very nervous to CTB but my life has become 100% emotional agony. I made one bad decision (took a bad xtc pill) and that has ruined my brain and my life. I can’t live the next 40 years like this.

I was hoping for something more peaceful than SN. I’ve read about it for hours and it seems like the best of the available non-violent methods. However, I wish I had some N instead!
 
Girl-shaped Wound

Girl-shaped Wound

In love with a person that doesn't exist
Feb 19, 2022
153
How about using ketoprofenum as a painkiller? Would that be a good idea, or should one stick with ibuprofenum?
Searched and only one person considered doing that and they are gone… Unclear if they took that painkiller before their SN.
 
pillow933

pillow933

Member
Mar 7, 2020
41
Can someone explain how SN doesn't cause long-term effects and is supposedly irreversable? From my understanding, it stops carrying oxygen in the blood around the body, however I thought the main cause of brain damage from similar substance abuse is when the brain is deprived of oxygen for periods of time and it causes severe disabilities, even bordering on you being practically braindead. Why doesn't SN potentially carry this risk?
 
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Enlightened
Aug 14, 2022
1,178
Can someone explain how SN doesn't cause long-term effects and is supposedly irreversable? From my understanding, it stops carrying oxygen in the blood around the body, however I thought the main cause of brain damage from similar substance abuse is when the brain is deprived of oxygen for periods of time and it causes severe disabilities, even bordering on you being practically braindead. Why doesn't SN potentially carry this risk?
Because it produces nitric oxide which acts as a neuroprotectant for a certain amount of time. Supposedly. I guess if they find you at the last minute once those effects wear off you could possibly be brain dead but you wouldn't even know it and they would have to pull the plug anyway.
 
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outrider567

Enlightened
Apr 5, 2022
1,137
You could use a pulse oximeter, yes. However one of the studies I read mentioned that PO's overestimated saturation in this specific situation. Apparently the can't properly interpret readings when it comes to methemoglobinemia.

And after all... once your saturation is that low, you will start to feel dizzy/disoriented and there will be little benefit of knowing if it's at 87 or 84. I would expect not even to be aware of the info / not able to process if someone told you what your sats are at.
Different when you use Nitrogen--My oxygen saturation dropped to 45 after just 5 deep breaths and I was still ok, a few other tests it dropped to about 50----An obese friend of mine,67, found his oxygen saturation was 68 one morning and he was ok(It jumped back to 89 soon after but a week later he had to start using breathing tubes
 
oono

oono

Student
Aug 26, 2020
137
I just read in a scientific magazine that the best position for a drug to work is to lie on your right side. Researchers say that in this position (lying on your right side), the medication reaches the small intestine much faster than in any other position (sitting, standing, on your back or on your left side). It may not be much, but for the SN method maybe lying on your right side allows you to pass out faster, once it's all taken. I just share this thought
 
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help56

Student
Oct 4, 2022
100
Is the food grade sn okay or I need technical grade. I need sources in the uk . Please on me thanks
 
lachrymost

lachrymost

finger on the eject button
Oct 4, 2022
65
I'm wondering what's wrong with the SN that's on the Canadian jungle site right now. Technical grade 99% pure. There's gotta be a catch, right?
 
wljourney

wljourney

Waiting for the bus
Apr 2, 2022
1,370
I'm wondering what's wrong with the SN that's on the Canadian jungle site right now. Technical grade 99% pure. There's gotta be a catch, right?
I wonder how long that'll stay up there. AFAIK the Canadian and the UK jungle have put some restrictions in place for pure SN.

also: The label doesn't look too trustworthy and "technical grade" could really be anything.
AFAIK these kind of descriptors are not regulated.
So, if your product isn't "food grade" (which IS regulated), you call it something similar to make it look reliable and high quality, but it could really contain any kind of junk.
 
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red_achilles

New Member
Oct 15, 2022
2
Hi I am new and I don't see how I can PM members. Also, can someone message me a source in the UK for SN that works without having a license or being a business?
 
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Sniffer

Member
Jul 12, 2022
75
How long before SN drink should Diazepam (Valium) be taken and what dose? Normally take 15mg a day and 3mg at night.
 
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Mir88

New Member
Oct 5, 2022
3
I'm not asking for addresses and similar because I know it is forbidden, I'm just sad that where I live (Switzerland) there is a legislation that admits assisted suicide for sick and elderly, but there's nothing if someone is not already on his way to die, and every product seems heavily regulated for private purchasers... without accounting for the risk of ordering from outside the country, as customs could be quite a problem (normally they don't inspect a lot when it's not something valuable, but there's always the chance).

2 months and looking, and I still didn't find a reliable source that didn't turn me down as "I'm not a registered laboratory that has access to these chemicals" or, simply, without shipping options to my country... it's quite depressing, every link so far that I've found was a dead end, and I'm no closer to my objective despite the time invested.
 
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JAlexa

JAlexa

Sleeping my life away... 💤
Oct 10, 2021
13
It arrived and it's real. Just tested it with a drop of blood and it instantly turned brown. The bottle in real life looks much more professional than the picture on their website. Looks like they only deliver to the US but it was only $20 and I'm still surprised how easy it was. I've had attempts in the past but they were always pretty unlikely to succeed because the pro-lifers make it so hard. I'm not going to use it just yet, but it's nice to know I have the option available now.
I ordered from this source last week and have yet to receive a shipping notification. Their hours are also weird - what company only works M-F 10am-1pm? I might place a backup order with another supplier if I don't hear back soon.
 
Lullaby

Lullaby

🌙
Mar 9, 2022
560
My mother threw out my SN recently that I bought from DD, which I guess is my fault for not hiding it well enough. She had no idea what it was and I didn't bother making a big deal about it.

I'm on IC currently and wondering if a 50g bag is enough? Or is 100g like Stan reccommed neccessary?
 
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klonoaencore

Member
Oct 4, 2022
20
Well I live with my family. Any chance of going wrong if I do it in my locked room before going to sleep? They would only find out like on the afternoon the next day. I missed the chance last week when they were travelling...
 
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stevegnash

Member
Oct 10, 2022
16
Does anyone know if SN would be more or less effective for someone with kidney disease?
 
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itokin

New Member
Oct 11, 2022
2
i bought SN from [redacted], are they legit? i've tested it with my blood and it's turning brown, but can't hurt to ask since i rarely seen merck being mentioned here at all
 
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JAlexa

JAlexa

Sleeping my life away... 💤
Oct 10, 2021
13
I ordered from this source last week and have yet to receive a shipping notification. Their hours are also weird - what company only works M-F 10am-1pm? I might place a backup order with another supplier if I don't hear back soon.
Update:

10/14 - Placed an order
10/19 - Shipped via USPS
10/21 - Received package
7 days in total
**This source no longer appears under Google Shopping, so you have to search deeper to find them (if they still sell SN).

During this time, I placed a backup order with DD/DE, which was silently cancelled & refunded the same day. I can confirm that DD/DE no longer sells SN to individuals.

The only accessible source that remains sells a questionable product for 3x the price on Amz. They misspell "High[t] quality" on their packaging, so buy with caution.
 
leeloosnow

leeloosnow

Specialist
Aug 28, 2022
374
Yes afaik that's correct.
There are also a few medications that increase the risk of side effects if taken with metoclopramide. For example quetiapine. So it's best to take only one of them, not both.
i did not know that meto+quetiapine increases side effects tysm
 
wljourney

wljourney

Waiting for the bus
Apr 2, 2022
1,370
My mother threw out my SN recently that I bought from DD, which I guess is my fault for not hiding it well enough. She had no idea what it was and I didn't bother making a big deal about it.

I'm on IC currently and wondering if a 50g bag is enough? Or is 100g like Stan reccommed neccessary?
One bag should be enough for the initial dose and a backup glass. Some people buy 2 bags, but it's not necessary. I assume that Stan's guide is based on the products that were available at the time when he wrote his guide. Then it was easier (and much cheaper) to buy a larger quantity.
Does anyone know if SN would be more or less effective for someone with kidney disease?
Kidney disease would not have an impact on it's effectiveness, however if you fail, kidney disease would progress more rapidly since SN (as well as many other drugs) is metabolized through the kidney.
Well I live with my family. Any chance of going wrong if I do it in my locked room before going to sleep? They would only find out like on the afternoon the next day. I missed the chance last week when they were travelling...
It's better to wait until you have a longer time window of being alone.
Some people have failed since they got sick, went to the bathroom, passed out and were found by family members who called emergency services.

One of the side effects of taking SN is nausea and some people (not all) have to throw up. If your family members hear you being sick in your room, they will likely come and investigate. Parents have a 6th sense for things like these.
How long before SN drink should Diazepam (Valium) be taken and what dose? Normally take 15mg a day and 3mg at night.
You should consult Stan's guide when it comes to timing and quantities.

 
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Blahblahbloop

Member
Nov 30, 2021
10
I have my sn and my day to ctb is today.
I'm wondering the best cocktail pre dose. I have olanzapine, lorazepam and propranolol but not sure of the best antacid. Anything otc I can buy in the states to help?

My plan is to drive to a hiking spot on a mountain near me around 8pm after it's dark and to 'nap' there in the car until morning when someone finds me. How long does sn take to kill you? I would very much like to succeed.
 
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