• Hey Visitor,

    In light of recent events, all community members in the US should reach out to their representative in regards to the Stop Online Suicide Assistance Forums Act that has been introduced in congress. This bill, if passed, could criminalize this community and hold it liable for simply hosting information.

    You should be able to locate and contact your represenative by going to this website. You can also contact Lori Trahan, the one spearheading this bill by calling her office at (202) 225-3411 or by leaving a message on the contact form on her site.

    One of the best ways to combat this is to make your voice heard. We're not political activists, but we made this notice to let you know that you do have a voice and that you do have representives that represent you in congress.
whywhywhy

whywhywhy

Member
Jun 11, 2021
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I do understand what you're saying about the teenagers and I agree with you. What changes would you expect to see here?
You think the teenagers can't just Google how to kill themselves and find the information on other websites?
You really cant find much using google. You need duckduckgo or something similar.

Not OP but I also think this sub should be less encouraging for teenagers. Its my personal opinion but I think suicide should only be done after thorough and careful evaluation of ones life. I dont think most teenagers hold the level of maturity that comes with life and that allows you to go through this kind of decision. Life changes a lot until your late 20s-30s (jobs, people you know mature, yourself, etc...) and many teenagers problem are often something short lived that comes with that age.

On a personal note I think that what gives power to my decision to CTB is that I tried to challenge it as much as possible but it still held on its own.
 
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Enlightened
Aug 14, 2022
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You really cant find much using google. You need duckduckgo or something similar.

Not OP but I also think this sub should be less encouraging for teenagers. Its my personal opinion but I think suicide should only be done after thorough and careful evaluation of ones life. I dont think most teenagers hold the level of maturity that comes with life and that allows you to go through this kind of decision. Life changes a lot until your late 20s-30s (jobs, people you know mature, yourself, etc...) and many teenagers problem are often something short lived that comes with that age.

On a personal note I think that what gives power to my decision to CTB is that I tried to challenge it as much as possible but it still held on its own.
I agree with you my friend. Many people here believe anyone should have the right to go at any given time. I disagree. I believe many of teenagers are emotionally immature and a lot of them are just going through a period or a situation in their life that will pass. A lot of them are acting on impulse. I know I've been there before.
 
Pluto

Pluto

Meowing to go out
Dec 27, 2020
1,905
I believe many of teenagers are emotionally immature and a lot of them are just going through a period or a situation in their life that will pass.
There is a legal age limit, but beyond this it's a mindset of caveat emptor. Questioning people's self-reported choices is usually avoided because of the slippery slope of gatekeeping who should or should not be given support in relation to an end-of-life choice.

The ideological stance of universal support implies that some preventable young deaths is preferable to a chaotic environment in which everyone's bodily autonomy is being constantly scrutinised by outsiders, negating the very nature of the unconditionally supportive community. And yet, some survivors of suicidal ideation are secretly wanting to be saved despite their former words and feelings to the contrary, and feel immense gratitude after being steered back towards normality. It is a very sad situation.

Then again, I was a suicidal teen and it turned out that I would have evaded decades of poverty, isolation and misery had I been able to go through with it back then... but for many people the same situation would turn out very differently. I wish that there could be a middle ground which would make the community less of an outright pariah in the eyes of society. If there is a reasonable way to achieve this without opening the can of worms of excessive gatekeeping, I am all for it.
 
DeathoftheAuthor

DeathoftheAuthor

A story with a bad ending.
Oct 12, 2022
1
Young people being irrational is something I agree with in principle, but it's hard to quantify. If you set a specific age, you'll immediately realize that any specific number is arbitrary. If you say you have to be, for example, 25 to truly know whether you should CTB, why not 24? How much of a difference does one year make? I chose 25 as an example age because that's the year the brain is fully developed for most people, but maybe it should be 26, so you can have a full year with a matured brain? But that number varies from person to person. For instance, people with ADHD are delayed by a couple of years. So I think the legal age limit should be whatever the age of majority is, but philosophically, emotionally, and subjectively, it might be a case by case basis.

The idea of rationality (as in the "rational" suicide) is debatable and overall subjective, but that's more of a philosophical argument. (I wrote a whole essay about that as a response to the blog of some psychologist saying everyone should try to live, even if they had already been on medications and tried therapy. I could post it here, but I don't want to do that and then nobody reads it. And if you mean intelligence by rational, intelligence correlates with depression too (and a whole range of other psychological disorders). If you mean maturity, there's no objective measure for that. A debate with no real conclusion.

But if someone is older, they won't use that argument and instead pick a different one. They simply aren't arguing in good faith; they already have a conclusion in mind. Any number is arbitrary, but I feel like you have to pick an age; I don't think a 12-year old can really make that choice. It was my 16th birthday when I first started feeling depressed, and 6 months later, I decided I wanted to kill myself. I just turned 18 on the 27th; is every day for a year and a half not enough? I don't know. We know more about ourselves than anyone else ever will. I know I can make this decision, yet I would (somewhat hypocritically) be skeptical of another 16–18 year old (as some people really do regret an attempt or change their mind), even though I would never deny them the right to choose.
 
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help56

Student
Oct 4, 2022
100
Beautiful thread. I love the so called value of life arguments . I wish that society would consider very much the right to choose argument . In essence even if people want you to live , they don’t are not in your head , they can’t go to sleep for or live your thoughts for you . When I lost my mom everyone said how sad they were and left.

Then I was left with my thoughts. No matter how well intentioned no
One can live your life for you.

So why this instant desire to keep me around when day to day none really can help me . I am distressed at the moment because I find it all very selfish . I can’t have an honest conversation with people about not wanting to live because I am
Immediately a) asked to see a therapist I am seeing one b) asked to look at others and how bad their life is and c) I should hope some future

I s as m trying to ctb but I can’t find the stuff working on it . I need someone to help me please . I am begging this pain I can’t handle . I can’t go out because I have panic attacks
 
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Kattt

scapegoat
May 18, 2021
466
You can really covered that comprehensively and very eloquently.
It's an ongoing debate I have with my psychiatrist.
My ex died from MND/ALS which is the poster child for suicide.
But at the same time, I appreciate that there will always be those who abuse it.
I must say I find a certain hypocrisy in the ultimate value in human life when the death penalty is enforced. Consider some of the "crimes" globally that are punished by hanging/stoning/firing squad and worse.
 
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help56

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Oct 4, 2022
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Basic fact is don’t expect someone to live to make you feel better . You are not them you don’t experience what they do .
 
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help56

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Oct 4, 2022
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everybody . Mental health is no joke. No matter what we do suffering is our and ours alone . No one can be in your head with you. No one can exieruence the pain with you . They can help but it is for you alone in the quite moments when your brain isn't cooperating to feel sane . Of course you can be held in physc wards to force you numb you but outside that it's ours alone . I feel that it's unfair to expect people to suffer year after year with mental health

the society must have better answers

I am not well haven't been for years . No amount of medicines and conversations has solved it ….
So am I condemned to this life forever ?
 
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help56

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Oct 4, 2022
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Is there a way to get assisted suicide ? When your mental health cannot improve ?