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That's so cool and original to completely leave out my concerns and just make it about u and YOUR experience instead of me and the countless other women who have had creepy experiences on here. I never said anything about ALL the mods being like that. I think it's pretty duchey to defend someone "volunteering" time to mess with suicidal people. I literally made a post like this before and then one of them deleted it yet they haven't banned a creepy guy (who's been on here for years) and keeps messing with people, that's literally what this thread is about. Your username is how u make me feel lol. Your response shows u have no experience with these types of people, perhaps it's cause u defend them. You should really try NOT doing that. "If you don't like the service you are getting here you are welcome to leave." -_- I wasn't even talking to you but u felt the need to respond being rude because???? This thread is literally about what I AM talking about.... People like u ignore the guy this thread is about meanwhile the people being affected get garbage replies from people like u who couldn't care less. :I

Honestly speaking, I think these people should just be outted, username and all, along with the experiences. When they're reported, that's all nice and good but I read that after some time has passed, their account goes back to being "like new" meaning the percentage slowly goes back to 0 (once they reach a certain percentage, they're banned) or something and they can just continue operating in the dark. I think the only way for this is to out them to the public to warn other users about them. That's what I did about one specific individual. Mods alone can't monitor thousands of people all at once so I think this helps each user monitor their own surroundings themselves as well without relying on the help of mods. The community people could rely on each other this way instead of putting it all on the mods' shoulders. You'd be surprised how many have had experiences with 1 user but no one knows about it because no one spoke about it.

There is a specific rule about not revealing anyone's personal infos publicly though, but I think that applies to identifying infos such as their name, date of birth, etc. (It's written in the rules). Meaning that all members can absolutely share the experiences they've had with user x y or z. Not being able to do this, is censorship, which is what this site is against. As long as the full name or any other identifying infos (username excluded otherwise, it'd be almost pointless) aren't being shared publicly, there should be no issues. This is the only way to increase safety. It's loud warnings, a section where users can find infos about offending users and individuals and of course vigilance, alertness, awareness, smart moves and a plan. That was originally the purpose of media, it's information for awareness and safety, SS should have something like this. This will make users wiser about what they say/share and how they interact with others, as well as informing them of what type of people are on this forum and the internet in general. It's unfortunate that things had to get so bad for people to be made aware of the dangers in this world.

Of course, there might be issues of blackmail etc but I think the only reason people don't speak about their experiences is because they're scared of not being believed, of being ridiculed, attacked etc. Or they may even self-blame and keep everything to themselves because they believe it was all their fault. That's why, I suggest there be a section for this kind of thing, a place for people who've encountered offending/threatening individuals to share their experiences and the username of said individuals so others can take from it and be vigilant and take the matter into their own hands as well (kind of like the scams megathread but more like an entire section where everyone can post their own threads and experiences, it would be easier to comment under/find/etc). Keeping evidence is key as well so I suggest avoiding deleting messages etc. Mods should be informed on top of all of this.

These are all suggestions of course. It's up to all individuals.

Shed light and the dark will cease existing.

And sorry to the victims. Hopefully we can learn to use the past to create a better/safer/happier present and a better/safer/happier future, for ourselves and for all of those we can do it for.

This is a general message.
 
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While we're on the subject of creeps on here and the experience of women, lets take a look at the messages I've been receiving from Marktheghost.

A 50 year old from Scotland who has repeatedly encouraged me, a 20 year old girl from Bournemouth, to tell my parents that I have got a "job" in Scotland with Mark to clean his flat.
According to Mark, I should begin by visiting every 5 weeks or so, before proceeding to spend nights at his flat.


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And plenty more, including posts where he encourages me to claim benefits and give any extra money I have left over to him.
And more but I can't be bothered to go through the whole conversation.
 
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So the whole approach to mental health on SS is probably experience based and not like a doctor, who can draw experience from many cases.

So it's like when people meet up, without going through the right steps, so they shouldn't be trying a group CTB, without the right approach.

It's so sad. That people could be meeting up with outsiders or even people with serious health conditions that cause this behaviour... I can't believe these people didn't meet in a busy public place first or something, or exchange details before actually carrying out their plan.

If they stayed public, and carried out their plan in public, this never would have happened.

I think it is naive and poorly planned. And devastatingly sad that it's been more traumatic because of this.

I mean, with enough planning, you could CTB anywhere, with any method, just out of sight briefly while you do it but not so far away you couldn't instantly find help.

I hate people like this .. if I was meeting someone who wanted to CTB too, I can't help but think it would only be appropriate that they knew everything about me more or less on the day before anything happened.

God, why aren't people more mature about this stuff. Reckless people just aren't thinking about it properly. Yes. You want to CTB but do it maturely, with dignity, with a bit of human decency. God this story is so sad, really winds me up innocent people get dragged into stupid ideas when theyre not old enough to realise the risks
 
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x_LittleAmy_x said:
While we're on the subject of creeps on here and the experience of women, lets take a look at the messages I've been receiving from Marktheghost.

A 50 year old from Scotland who has repeatedly encouraged me, a 20 year old girl from Bournemouth, to tell my parents that I have got a "job" in Scotland with Mark to clean his flat.
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And plenty more, including posts where he encourages me to claim benefits and give any extra money I have left over to him.
And more but I can't be bothered to go through the whole conversation.
Can you report him? What a POS.
 

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x_LittleAmy_x said:
While we're on the subject of creeps on here and the experience of women, lets take a look at the messages I've been receiving from Marktheghost.

A 50 year old from Scotland who has repeatedly encouraged me, a 20 year old girl from Bournemouth, to tell my parents that I have got a "job" in Scotland with Mark to clean his flat.
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And plenty more, including posts where he encourages me to claim benefits and give any extra money I have left over to him.
And more but I can't be bothered to go through the whole conversation.

Went through their post history "No ulterior motive or anything" *proceeds to ask a 20 yo girl to become their maid and give them money*.

The one I dealt with had an obsession/fixation with "becoming one" and "spending eternity together". They asked for a place to stay the night and mentioned being/getting married to each other, and I have nothing against the act or desire in people to become trans but I feel this needs to be mentioned. The user claimed that they wanted to be female but were born male but were lesbian but didn't want to become trans, I had a feeling this was a technique/ruse to get their targetted/desired prey to drop their guard, soften up and open up so they can get more trust, infos and eventually, what they want. This often happens online with strangers faking their characteristics and behavior to match their targets'. It could've been true but better safe than sorry, staying safe costs less than putting oneself in danger by believing possible lies.

This particular user (Lady Black) contacted me after I posted in the partners' thread so that can be informative about the range of intentions of the people lurking on there/using it. I mainly posted in the partners' thread to test the waters and sure enough, these are the types of creatures I found. I was lucky to have been informed of the dangers of this world and the internet so I learned to never give real infos to anyone on the internet or even in real life, you can never be too safe.

Anyway, here's a quick warning and safety lesson for those of you reading this that are not familiar with the internet and all its dangers, you should take notes. In no particular order:

- Learn to FULLY protect your anonymity and online presence. Learn how simply being in the chat or clicking on a link can give away your location to those with the right tools. Look into using VPNs, Tor, etc but don't just blindly trust anything either just because it claims to protect you. Study everything. Study everything you use just as you would study the foods you consume and home you will live in. Technology advances at a rapid rate, if you're not up to date, you will be left behind and vulnerable. If you're serious about your safety, take the matter into your own hands.
- Predators thrive on vulnerability, naivety, isolation and lack of knowledge, lack of information and lack of experience. If you tick any of these boxes, here's what you should and shouldn't do:

  • Keep all your communications in the public forum and "in the light". Private messages are the equivalent of dark alleys in real life. By limiting all your communications to public ones, you greatly reduce your risks of being isolated, blackmailed or not believed, in case something happens. You will always have witnesses and helpers and it is easier to report because mods can see the entire conversation.
  • Avoid giving away details that could lead online strangers to you in real life, such as your location (even if general), age, gender, etc. Even if you use vpns, and anonymity products, they do nothing if you give away your location yourself (unless it's fake, we'll get to that).
  • Ask yourself if pm'ing a user is really necessary. Avoid pm'ing as much as you possibly can and if you can't, keep it simple, straight-to-the-point, superficial and of course, follow this guidance.
  • Lie. If you can't or don't want to avoid answering but still want to stay safe, lie. Misinform the online stranger.
  • Remember that they could be lying to you as well. If you can, so can they, but if they can, so can you. It's all about how you use what.
  • You may feel exhausted from pretending or having to watch your back all the time. In that case, stick to lurking, if you can't trust yourself to follow all of this general guidance, avoid interactions altogether. Do not attempt skydiving for the fun and thrill of it (if you don't want to die or be severely injured) if you don't know how to open a parachute. Do not venture into the woods to find a specific flower if you don't know how to use a shotgun or other weapons to protect yourself from predators and/or ruthless savage animals/beings. If finding the flower is truly important to you, you will be encouraged and guided to learn and master the art of protecting yourself on your journey.
  • Learn the art of observation but do not only trust what you see and hear. Take all the risks and possibilities into consideration and plan ahead of time, ways to undo/counteract them if they arise.
  • Tune into your feelings and listen but again, do not only act on one aspect/part of things. Look at the whole picture and decide your course of action based on your goal and your surroundings.
  • Do not expect anyone to be kind and gentle sweet souls. Do not expect anyone to have your best interests at heart. Do not expect anyone to help you protect yourself. Do not expect anyone to help or support you. Do not expect anyone to take your side or agree with you. Always remember that everyone is selfish. And always remember to be selfish. There is nothing wrong with it, in fact, it's how it should be. Always behave as if you were on your own and stay focused on your goal but do not be afraid of asking for help and/or accepting it if you need it, just remember this guidance.
  • You can express yourself all you want as long as you stay alert and aware about what you share and how it could potentially affect you in real life.
  • Think ahead of time, study the tools you're using, always check your privacy settings and preferences, plan.
  • Do not underestimate or minimise anything or anyone. People can track down your ip address and location simply by your presence in the chat or by you clicking on a link or sometimes even by you logging in.
  • Keep records and evidence if something seems suspicious or offends you. The chat feature especially, doesn't keep logs or records I think so everything that happens there will vanish into thin air. Do not delete messages until you're sure deleting them won't affect you in any way. Be sure.
  • Read through people's post history and pay attention to any potential red flags. Not having or having a minimal post history is a red flag. If the user only sticks to certain kinds of threads or avoids talking about themselves somewhat in depth in the public forum, it's a red flag. These are not the only ones. Look for all of them.
  • Some predator users have planned their routes and way of operation ahead of time so do not believe everything you read. They may have planned everything before even making an account.
  • Everything can be faked. Everything can be a lie. Keep this in mind before you do or say anything.
  • Do not run away from the opportunity to learn if it comes your way, especially if it regards your safety and well-being in any way.
  • Give importance to everything and deal with them in a way that is beneficial or helpful for you.
  • Take your time before saying or doing something online. Unless it's gathering evidence, in that case, you must act quickly. Think ahead of time. Think of the kinds of responses you might get and how to react.
  • Never tell the truth upfront. Always tell or respond with lies. You decide when (if) to bring out the truth.
  • Never assume that the longer you know or interact with someone, the more you will know about them and/or be able to trust them. Some predators take advantage of this mentality. They will feed you everything they need to feed you, for as long as they need to, to get what they want.
  • Proof-read. In case you accidently give away a piece of information that could get you targetted or attacked by some predators.
  • Be ready to face the consequences of what you say, share and/or do. No one has any real power over you behind the screen if you protect yourself as best as you can. If having learnt all of this, you decide to blindly and/or thoughtlessly trust a stranger or give a piece of information, without preparation, that could affect you in real life or in any way, be prepared to face the consequences and own up. You are responsible for what you say/share/do and what you do with everything. This is not saying "blame yourself", this is saying take responsible and informed actions. Whatever happened or happens, do not be afraid of reporting offenders to the authorities, keeping things bottled up will not help you, it will just weigh on your shoulders. If nothing comes out of reporting them, do your best to spread awareness in your own way to prevent future misfortunes for others and yourself. What's done is done, think about how it can be used beneficially for yourself and for others now and from now on.
  • When it comes to your fulfilling your well-being and safety, the knowledge, guidance and information is readily available. But, you are responsible for seeking, absorbing and using them in a way that fulfills your well-being and safety.
All in all, only experience and time can truly teach you until it's ingrained but these are the basics, I guess. I know this is a lot of work but this is for those who want to seriously protect themselves while benefitting from what is available and are willing to do what it takes and take the matter into their own hands. I would say feel free to pm me if you have any questions but if you've read and followed all of that, you know that's not something I would do. ;) Feel free to ask questions in this thread or create one and tag me though haha. And DuckDuckGo can answer most of your questions as well.
 
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You should use an unique username for this forum, if you use the same username in other places it's possible that members can track you to other websites and gather personal information. I'm only known as RainAndSadness in this forum so there is no way anyone can track other social media accounts. Also you shouldn't spread personal information that could be used to identify you, especially specific personal information in combination (full name + age + city for example) can expose you. Try to avoid building any bridges to your real identity. Creeps and predators aren't the only problem, pro-lifers would also love to prevent suicides and send authorities to your place. Someone got doxxed by FT26 when it was convenient for them. They love to harass and bully suicidal people in an attempt to scare you away from this place but there is no need to panic if you protect yourself (and your privacy).
 

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RainAndSadness said:
You should use an unique username for this forum, if you use the same username in other places it's possible that members can track you to other websites and gather personal information. I'm only known as RainAndSadness in this forum so there is no way anyone can track other social media accounts. Also you shouldn't spread personal information that could be used to identify you, especially specific personal information in combination (full name + age + city for example) can expose you. Try to avoid building any bridges to your real identity. Creeps and predators aren't the only problem, pro-lifers would also love to prevent suicides and send authorities to your place. Someone got doxxed by FT26 when it was convenient for them. They love to harass and bully suicidal people in an attempt to scare you away from this place but there is no need to panic if you protect yourself (and your privacy).

True, I forgot to add that because I automatically assumed it was common sense so:
  • Use different usernames and even emails when creating accounts to avoid accounts being linked to each other and exposing you.
  • Do not use your real name to create an email or an account of any sort (unless it's something that requires your true identity like something job related or civil stuff related).
  • Avoid online things that require your full name and identity for registration, if you can.
  • Try to go for the offline option when doing something if you can, where you can, when you can.
  • Avoid registering or creating any accounts unless absolutely necessary or you strongly want to and you feel it is truly beneficial for you and/or for others.
Online users aren't the only ones you should watch out for. App creators gather data of all kinds, the government does too, search engines, browsers, etc. Data is gold and who knows what they do or plan to do with it. Look into using open-source apps that don't require internet access in the permissions to run, instead of using the mainstream default ones. And try to avoid using the ones that do require internet access in any way. Look into privacy-oriented operating systems and products. Always go for the privacy-oriented option/version when you can, where you can, if you can. This topic would require an entire manual but please do your research, we gave you general pointers here, the rest is up to you. There might be some users willing to go more in-depth but again DuckDuckGo can answer most if not all of your questions. And be open to receiving useful beneficial informations, they might pop up out of nowhere anytime. And of course, use the same level of energy, vigilance and brain-power to protect yourself as best as you can in real life as well.

I suggest checking out the site
nononsenseselfdefense . com as well.

Use a no-log policy VPN and Tor and I suggest installing the uBlock Origin and Decentraleyes add-ons for more security (will block popups and ads, etc), their site is http (not secure).
 
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anyone who gives info out on here (online too) are just asking for it.

Vunerable people get drawn into it, or somebody acts vulnerable and draws people in.

Dumb af to even remotely trust anyone on here. Nothing personal to anyone but people who play stupid games get stupid prized lul
 
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Anonymous_A said:
anyone who gives info out on here (online too) are just asking for it.

Vunerable people get drawn into it, or somebody acts vulnerable and draws people in.

Dumb af to even remotely trust anyone on here. Nothing personal to anyone but people who play stupid games get stupid prized lul
There is a reason why predators target vulnerable people, or people in vulnerable positions...
 
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Anonymous_A said:
anyone who gives info out on here (online too) are just asking for it.

Vunerable people get drawn into it, or somebody acts vulnerable and draws people in.

Dumb af to even remotely trust anyone on here. Nothing personal to anyone but people who play stupid games get stupid prized lul
What a disgusting thing to write. You've clearly not known many vulnerable people or ever been in such a low place yourself.

Being naïve and lacking boundaries does not mean they've consented to be targetted and abused.

Given the nature of this site, you might think you'd have learnt a shred of empathy and compassion that you clearly lack in life, but no — major red flag. Yuck
 
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x_LittleAmy_x said:
There is a reason why predators target vulnerable people, or people in vulnerable positions...
Why is x_LittleAmy_x deleted. Does that anyone know?
 
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noname223 said:
Why is x_LittleAmy_x deleted. Does that anyone know?
I don't know. I did notice the member's messages that she posted above is not banned.

Perhaps, mods could provide some transparency as to how they handle messages like those she was sent.
 
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I did notice the member's messages that she posted above is not banned.
Which comes back to the idea that maybe the partners thread, suicide pacts and offering to meet in general needs to banned here. Surely it's the only way to keep members safe and ensure the freedom of and access to information.
 
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Interesting but crappy to know that here in SS may have serial killers, cops, paedophiles, celebrities, politicians, etc. all anonymous ready to attack:angry:.
 
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Brink said:
Which comes back to the idea that maybe the partners thread, suicide pacts and offering to meet in general needs to banned here. Surely it's the only way to keep members safe and ensure the freedom of and access to information.

I'm still investigating it. I don't just ban people based on accusations or one-sided screenshots.
 
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i find it funny that they said youre dealing with it and now theyre banned lol. oops??
 
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i find it funny that they said youre dealing with it and now theyre banned lol. oops??

What's your implication?
 
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What's your implication?
that they asked you to deal with a problem and then they got banned for being someone that already was banned. im saying that maybe they were better off being quiet in the corner and not causing a ruckus. less likely to have been caught
 
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I suspected as much but the only hunch I had was that they got weirdly defensive anytime someone criticized him. I didn’t have any proof though. I also had a theory that maybe she was like his lover or something too. No one has to answer this but I wonder what evidence surfaced that was enough to get em banned?
 
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MartyByrde said:
I don't know. I did notice the member's messages that she posted above is not banned.
I noticed the messages spanned over two weeks.

I suspect “Amy”, whilst pretending to be a young autistic girl, deliberately led the user along and made him think she was ok with receiving such messages to collate as much evidence as possible to eventually turn over to FT26 and make our site look bad/unsafe for that demographic
 
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I noticed the messages spanned over two weeks.

I suspect “Amy”, whilst pretending to be a young autistic girl, deliberately led the user along and made him think she was ok with receiving such messages to collate as much evidence as possible to eventually turn over to FT26 and make our site look bad/unsafe for that demographic

That's exactly what I'm investigating and so far, this seems to be the case. It's why only his messages were posted in this thread, not hers.
 
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That's exactly what I'm investigating and so far, this seems to be the case. It's why only his messages were posted in this thread, not hers.
ive talked to the person in question personally and while i havent talked to them in a little while they dont seem to mean harm. they seem that they might have difficulty with social situations and thats about it.
 
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I have been reading the posts on this thread and the Important thread, and have just got myself up to date.

It is still really confusing with all of the different claims; I am feeling shock due to some of the events, but also suprise as well. What is happening?
 
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I suspect “Amy”, whilst pretending to be a young autistic girl, deliberately led the user along and made him think she was ok with receiving such messages to collate as much evidence as possible to eventually turn over to FT26 and make our site look bad/unsafe for that demographic
Dude was probably trying to lure me into something too because I was messaged a few weeks ago but I was too weird even for “her”. :pfff:
 
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Brink said:
What a disgusting thing to write. You've clearly not known many vulnerable people or ever been in such a low place yourself.

Being naïve and lacking boundaries does not mean they've consented to be targetted and abused.

Given the nature of this site, you might think you'd have learnt a shred of empathy and compassion that you clearly lack in life, but no — major red flag. Yuck
Eh?
How is my comment disgusting?

IMO just don’t get personal with people. Just write whatever you want to say and post it public.

Removes the risk doesn’t it?

Don’t get ya jimmies rustled, just because I’m stating a way that removes the possibility of dumb shit happening.
Ps, your first statement ain’t shit. Let’s be honest, everyone’s on a suicide forum for a reason
 
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