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Armadillo

Experienced
Oct 24, 2018
224
I don't know how you folks can be so sure its eternal. There is just as much chance we are reborn, remade, sent to some afterlife, wake up in our alien VR pods from our super realistic Earth sim etc as there is oblivion. There are so many possibilities and we will not know what is or isn't the truth until it happens...or in the case of oblivion being true we will never learn anyway. Too many people on either end of the "religious-atheist" spectrum claim to know things they don't and cannot know because those things sound the best to them.

There's not just as much chance.
Of course there are a lot of things that we cannot know for sure (if there are any) but if something isn't either proven or necessary, even though you cannot rule out its existence 100%, there's no point in betting on it being real.
 
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Armadillo

Experienced
Oct 24, 2018
224
The thing is this isn't true probability wise. Thinking something sounds more reasonable to you doesn't equal more or less chance. We could just as likely be in some fat alien's aquarium as anything else but most people would say there is no/low chance of that. The only rational answer is "I don't know"...no matter how much you want something to be true or think it's true based on how "smart and rational" you think you are...its irrelevant to what IS true.


"I don't know" and "I don't know for sure" are two different answers.
Just because you cannot calculate the probability of something to happen in way A or way B doesn't mean that it has 50% of possibility of happening in either way.

I'm not trying to prove something that I WANT to be true, this is more of a discussion of HOW we know things and to wich degree.

Of course if something "seems" more reasonable doesn't mean that it is more likely true... reality is often counterintuitive.

What I said is that if something is neither proven nor (in some way) necessary its probability of being real are not that high.
Staying on the topic of "afterlife" the possibilities of a certain specific outcome (nor proven nor necessary) are almost nonexistent because there are an infinite number of them.
I can say that when we die we wake up as an alien holding a bong with our mates asking "how was the trip?"... can we know for sure that it isn't going to happen? No.
But that doesn't make it a valid theory.

We can build a theory with what we seem to know, and that is not as (in)valid as the theory I just made up.
 
Redt2go

Redt2go

flower child
Jan 5, 2019
1,643
I don't know how you folks can be so sure its eternal. There is just as much chance we are reborn, remade, sent to some afterlife, wake up in our alien VR pods from our super realistic Earth sim etc as there is oblivion. There are so many possibilities and we will not know what is or isn't the truth until it happens...or in the case of oblivion being true we will never learn anyway. Too many people on either end of the "religious-atheist" spectrum claim to know things they don't and cannot know because those things sound the best to them.
Wow I'v never heard of the alien vr theory. That's pretty cool
 
Redt2go

Redt2go

flower child
Jan 5, 2019
1,643
If you are into such theorizing you can come up with all sorts of things...imagine you are a descendent of someone from 10,000 years in the future and using some technology that uses ancestral DNA to recreate a simulation of your ancestor's life...and you are reliving their experiences....but its totally submersive so you don't know it. Then at the end you wake up and have lunch telling your partner/friends etc how "realistic" it was. There are endless plausible possibilities. You can go on and one and it can be a fun mental exercise but ultimately will never give you any answers.
If that's true then I'm stupid lol who wants to relive 18h/day in bed or scrolling ss
 
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Armadillo

Experienced
Oct 24, 2018
224
This argument will never finish so I will say this then back out of this thread. Nobody knows what is or isn't beyond this life. It doesn't matter how many PhD's in physics or theology you have...there is no "more likely" truth no matter how rational or realistic it sounds to you in your mind, and it's all just human opinions based on narrow observation and narrow thinking ability. It's extreme arrogance to think otherwise...but...humans love their arrogance and the control felt in "knowing". Everyone who claims to have some insight is just utilizing a coping mechanism...nobody knows.


You're just repeating yourself, I already adressed those points.
I don't claim to know for sure, I am not omniscent.
Our knowledge of the world as individuals is limited but limited knowledge doesn't mean we can't know anything at all.

There are more likely truths, we base our entire life on them! Without those we would be bumping aimlessly in the dark.

How do you know for sure that from tomorrow on water isn't going to boil (at 1 atm) at 40 degrees Celsius instead of 100? You can't, but the two things aren't as much likely.
It's the same regarding the afterlife. An outcome of an event predicted on the basis of some knowledge we have is not as likely as one made up at the moment.
 
Alexander

Alexander

Member
Dec 11, 2018
33
Death it's the final and defintive rest, I figure it like a infinite sleep whithout stress, duties, suffering and fatigue. For me it's like reaching Nirvana: an eternal state of perfect serenity.
When I'm down thinking about death helps me.
 
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Armadillo

Experienced
Oct 24, 2018
224
Because none of the facts we know about the natural world define what is or isn't after death. Science isn't a dogma...its a system of observation...and what we have observed is a fraction of what "is".

None of it? Even if we didn't, assuming there should be something after death would be unnecessary.
But the fact is that we know things about the topic.
Even the simple fact that consciousness (as we understand it) requires and emerges from a physical substrate.
Death is part of the physical world, wich science studies.
Through (even if limited) scientific knowledge we can make predictions about the physical world and not all predictions are equally likely. So we can make predictions about what happens after death and again not all predictions are equally likely.
 
Deivis

Deivis

Seul contre tous
Jul 23, 2018
235
I'm pretty much sure that if that all of us (myself included) make it to 70-75 years old - due to fears, procrastination and laziness - in our final moments.... when life leaves the body and everything goes gradually darker - like slowly dimming lightbulbs at the cinema... our last thought will be - "I should have done that decades... DECADES ago!"....
 
Redt2go

Redt2go

flower child
Jan 5, 2019
1,643
Ok
I'm pretty much sure that if that all of us (myself included) make it to 70-75 years old - due to fears, procrastination and laziness - in our final moments.... when life leaves the body and everything goes gradually darker - like slowly dimming lightbulbs at the cinema... our last thought will be - "I should have done that decades... DECADES ago!"....
Lol