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ScaredOfLife

Arcanist
Jul 9, 2018
441
He was either a troll or air was getting in somewhere. Imo

I hope so! I hate to read about failure since this is my preferred method. I was so set on using my gun before I researched the nitrogen method.
 
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I hope so! I hate to read about failure since this is my preferred method. I was so set on using my gun before I researched the nitrogen method.

We are in the same boat. I’ve read about failures on wiki and in every case it seems air was getting inside the bag or the connections were not secure.

Nitrogen is better than helium—heavier gas, less likely to leak.
 
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Also I’ll add that his post was scare-mongering and his disclosure at the end to “not try this method” when, in fact, thousands have died using helium or nitrogen, seems suspect to me.
 
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ScaredOfLife

Arcanist
Jul 9, 2018
441
Maybe he should handcuff himself to something. Sounds like he is going into a panic when he passes out, and ending up pulling bag part way off.

I don't want to handcuff myself because I will be in a motel and don't want to fail and be found the next morning by the maid, handcuffed. That idea scares me. What I'll probably do is bring the nitrogen kit and my gun, so if the nitrogen fails I'll just shoot myself.
 
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Empty Smile

The final Bell has rung. Goodbye to all.
Jul 13, 2018
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Also I’ll add that his post was scare-mongering and his disclosure at the end to “not try this method” when, in fact, thousands have died using helium or nitrogen, seems suspect to me.


Good point. Probably a Samaritan trying to stop people from using it by making up a lie.
 
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ScaredOfLife

Arcanist
Jul 9, 2018
441
I thought that helium was being cut with other gases in recent years? Something about the helium supply being low.

I thought they were diluting it with oxygen because of people using it to commit suicide. My first thought was that his tank was diluted with oxygen, but when I went back to read his post it said the tank was 99.9% helium.

My second thought is that he is just trying to scare people away from using this method.
 
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amatteroflifeordeath

Electrical engineer born in 1980.
Jul 18, 2018
57
Yes we are not that important to them. It is more because helium supplies shrinking than a safety mesure against suicide.
 
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i187914

Member
May 24, 2018
32
He doesn't say what rate he set the regulator to!!!

He installed the regulator and checked the pressure but didn't set the rate. My guess is he left it on its default rate of less than 5 liters per minute.

It should be set to 15 liters per minute for inert gas.

"A peaceful hypoxic death with an inert gas and an exit bag depends upon an optimal gas flow. The optimal flow will be sufficient to flush away exhaled carbon dioxide so that the gas does not accumulate within the bag. An optimal gas flow will also prevent the bag from becoming uncomfortable, yet is slow enough that the flow can continue for >20 minutes. For 15 liters / minute gas flow the level of carbon dioxide does not rise appreciably over the 5 minute period. At 5 liters / minute the level of carbon dioxide approached 5% and was enough to make the subject uncomfortable and alarmed".

1. He should have stopped 20 seconds in when he started hyperventilating. That's a sign that something is not right.
2. He should have stopped 35 seconds in when he got pain in his chest. That's a sign that something is not right.
3. If he had actually passed out and there was sufficient helium flowing into the bag (15 liters per minute) and there was no air leaking in, he would be dead and would not have woken back up.
 
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ScaredOfLife

Arcanist
Jul 9, 2018
441
He doesn't say what rate he set the regulator to!!!

He installed the regulator and checked the pressure but didn't set the rate. My guess is he left it on its default rate of less than 5 liters per minute.

It should be set to 15 liters per minute for inert gas.

"A peaceful hypoxic death with an inert gas and an exit bag depends upon an optimal gas flow. The optimal flow will be sufficient to flush away exhaled carbon dioxide so that the gas does not accumulate within the bag. An optimal gas flow will also prevent the bag from becoming uncomfortable, yet is slow enough that the flow can continue for >20 minutes. For 15 liters / minute gas flow the level of carbon dioxide does not rise appreciably over the 5 minute period. At 5 liters / minute the level of carbon dioxide approached 5% and was enough to make the subject uncomfortable and alarmed".

1. He should have stopped 20 seconds in when he started hyperventilating. That's a sign that something is not right.
2. He should have stopped 35 seconds in when he got pain in his chest. That's a sign that something is not right.
3. If he had actually passed out and there was sufficient helium flowing into the bag (15 liters per minute) and there was no air leaking in, he would be dead and would not have woken back up.

If he really tried and wasn't just a pro-lifer trying to frighten people away from the method, then he must have failed because he did something wrong.

What I'm afraid of is how tight should the elastic fit around my neck? I want it tight enough to work but not so tight that carbon dioxide and oxygen can't escape the bag. I'm worried about finding the optimum tightness. *sigh* I worry too much. I just don't want to fail. I want to get it right.

Also, I've heard it mentioned that the book Final Exit has information regarding this method. I have the hardback copy of this book and I couldn't find any mention of this method. So far, I've only read chapter five of the PPEH. I still have yet to read Five Last Acts.

I hope the regulator is easy to use and that I'll easily be able to set it to 15lpm, instead of some other measure unit. I don't know if the authors of these books are American or from another country, so will my regulator have a setting in that metric unit of lpm?

Sorry for all the questions. I want to carefully research this because it will be the last thing I will ever do in my life.

I think I've got one or two months left to research. (I haven't bought the regulator yet, but I'm buying the one that chronicpainnomore mentioned in his shopping list, so I don't know what units it uses.)
 
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Ssname

Experienced
Jun 30, 2018
268
Step 8: closed the valve.

This means that there was only one bag full of helium which he inhaled and passed out. When there was no more helium he woke up because he couldn't breathe. In the third attempt he left it on "slightly" my guess is that it was too slow of a flow rate and so again he was knocked out by it (this time for longer because of the increased volume of helium available) but again ran out of gas to breathe.
 
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May 29, 2018
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I thought they were diluting it with oxygen because of people using it to commit suicide. My first thought was that his tank was diluted with oxygen, but when I went back to read his post it said the tank was 99.9% helium.

My second thought is that he is just trying to scare people away from using this method.


I promise you I did this with 99% HELIUM. Read my post. No the bag wasn't fucking broken for fucks sake. No it wasn't loose wtf? I'M NOT A FUCKING IDIOT.

It literally DID NOT PHASE ME. Garbage fucking method or that company is a lying bitch.
 
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ScaredOfLife

Arcanist
Jul 9, 2018
441
Step 8: closed the valve.

This means that there was only one bag full of helium which he inhaled and passed out. When there was no more helium he woke up because he couldn't breathe. In the third attempt he left it on "slightly" my guess is that it was too slow of a flow rate and so again he was knocked out by it (this time for longer because of the increased volume of helium available) but again ran out of gas to breathe.

Ah, true. We're supposed to keep it flowing at 15 liters per minute.
 
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ScaredOfLife

Arcanist
Jul 9, 2018
441
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I promise you I did this with 99% HELIUM. Read my post. No the bag wasn't fucking broken for fucks sake. No it wasn't loose wtf? I'M NOT A FUCKING IDIOT.

It literally DID NOT PHASE ME. Garbage fucking method or that company is a lying bitch.

Oh wow... I'm sorry it didn't work for you. This is scary.
 
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Pony Slaystation

Member
Jul 28, 2018
32
Can you give us a link to your post?

I think he's talking about this post where he says:

I have failed:
-helium method (a couple of times, did everything right, my guess is that I am either superhuman or the gas company lies about the purity of the helium, even though it said 99.9% pure, "quality assured" and "lab tested" and all of that...)


I guess he believes impure helium is the only possible reason his attempt could have failed.
 
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ScaredOfLife

Arcanist
Jul 9, 2018
441
I think he's talking about this post where he says:

I have failed:
-helium method (a couple of times, did everything right, my guess is that I am either superhuman or the gas company lies about the purity of the helium, even though it said 99.9% pure, "quality assured" and "lab tested" and all of that...)


I guess he believes impure helium is the only possible reason his attempt could have failed.

I'm going to use nitrogen so there is hopefully no chance of failing. They don't dilute it with oxygen.
 
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BecauseOfMyPurpose

Member
Nov 13, 2019
38
Someone might have said this already but maybe his elastic band was too tight. From my understanding you have to leave a small opening at the bottom so that any CO2 you exhale can escape. If you don’t you just rebreathe that co2 and experience hypercapnia effects. That would explain the chest pain and the panic causing him to claw at the bag.