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esse_est_percipi

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GoodPersonEffed said:
These folks are aggressive, they outright lie, they fearmonger, they manipulate facts to suit a false narrative -- those aren't the actions of honorably grieving people, they're calculated actions of bullies and abusers. They're playing dirty politics, heavy on the politics.
absolutely.
Everything you say is transparent in their behavior and what they say.
They are engaging in a form of revanchism and lashing out at a convenient scapegoat.
There is nothing moral about their crusade because they are willing to trample on the rights and liberties of other people to discuss certain issues and access certain information, in order to satisfy their barely veiled hatred and ressentiment.
 
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Good. We shouldn't be afraid to have a discussion about the right to die. I think we all should stop running away from this question and confront people that oppose the right to die and call them out for their bullshit, the same way Philip Nitschke did in several interviews when confronted about Exit International. We have the moral and legal high ground, the courts are with us that suicide is a human right and we can easily win moral debates on the right to die with rational, logical arguments. The other side doesn't have any sane arguments in favor of restricting the legal and moral right to commit suicide. They can't make coherent arguments as to why it's morally right to keep consenting and informed individuals from making the decision to end their own life, therefore violating their autonomy and most basic human rights. As I said in the past, the European Court of Human Rights agreed several times that suicide is an "expression of individual autonomy" during the last few centuries in cases that were about assisted suicide. The highest court in Germany just recently ruled very similar, implying that people have a right to decide the time and circumstances of their own death. They can't win this argument. That's why they scream and whine on Twitter instead, literally inventing ad hominems and false narratives in an attempt to gain public sympathy. It won't work.

 
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I will have a nose but won’t follow as I only have a personal twitter
 
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Marquis said:
We have a Twitter account, and we're using it starting today.

It was a placeholder for a while, but we're going to start actively using it.


Edit: We would recommend using a burner account if you end up following us.

That's exciting news, but my instinct tells me that it will be shut down in short time knowing that twitter censors everything on their platform.
 
Rn110bg101

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I'm just going to say that I don't think this is a good idea, at least not with the name of the forum plastered on it. The last thing we need is more attention drawn to this forum by pro-lifers, be it people or governments that are very active on social media.
Some of us do not have money for a VPN if this site gets restricted in our countries.
 
pthnrdnojvsc

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Brick In The Wall said:
We rarely agree, but I can definitely agree with you on this.
I think we need you @Brick In The Wall , @GoodPersonEffed ,@worried_to_death and other intelligent, logical thinkers to create burner twitter accounts and put our case out to the world, and defeat those ruinthe26.com liars and show them that all ideas need to be allowed out there so that we can determine which are the most logical : that's called the market place of ideas and is freedom of speech. Why should we allow fixthe26 clowns to determine what is right and what is wrong. Who are they ? Just liars and clowns who think they are the determiners of the ultimate truth.. And we @Brick In The Wall need your Mr. Rogers gif lol just kidding we need the higher ground. But that was a funny one .

fixthe26.com are saying that we are are luring and convincing children or minors to kill themselves and that we get off on that and also getting other vulnerable people to kill themselves. But as we all here know all that are lies : fixthe26.com fabricated those lies which are slander and libel in order to get this website shut down which is their goal. So imo some of us who have time and are willing and daring should call them out on these lies.

On this website sanctionedsuicide I haven't seen anyone encourage others to commit suicide .I think most on this site are like me. I decided long ago i needed to commit suicide. This website didn't convince me of anything. It's very hard to make people change their minds and that's one of their lies that we change minds to make them want to commit suicide.

Below is screenshot of the fixthe26.com website. They are taking posts out of context and lying to make it seem that we are getting children and others to kill themselves and enjoying it. I haven't seen anyone encourage others to kill themselves.
Screenshot from fixthe26.com
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Brick In The Wall said:
All is fair in love and war. Does it look like these people are beyond dirty tactics? I think its been proven that they aren't with the whole BPG thing and false accusations.
fixthe26 have to resort to lies,slander and libel because they can't defeat us fairly in a debate of ideas and logic.
 

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Brick In The Wall

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peacefullpainless said:
I think we need you @Brick In The Wall , @GoodPersonEffed , and others to create burner twitter accounts and defeat those ruinthe26.com liars and show them that all ideas need to be allowed out there so that we can determine which are the most logical : that's called the market place of ideas and is freedom of speech. Why should we allow fixthe26 clowns to determine what is right and what is wrong. Who are they ? Just liars and clown who think they are the determiners of the ultimate truth.. And we @Brick In The Wall need your Mr. Rogers gif lol just kidding we need the higher ground. but that was a funny one .

One question i would pose to these fixthe26 clowns and all other pro-lifers : What is the purpose of life ? Why do i have to work so hard for what reason and what does my suicide have to do with anyone else?

fixthe26 have to resort to lies,slander and libel because they can't defeat us fairly in debate of ideas and logic.
Yea that's true, see that's why I'm not making a twitter. I wouldn't play nice. This topic gets me heated because they're basically trying to burn my home down with my family in it. So I'll step away from this and observe.
 
ceasetobreathe

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Brick In The Wall said:
Yea that's true, see that's why I'm not making a twitter. I wouldn't play nice. This topic gets me heated because they're basically trying to burn my home down with my family in it. So I'll step away from this and observe.
That's why we've claimed you as the SS dad
 
Brick In The Wall

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ceasetobreathe03 said:
That's why we've claimed you as the SS dad
I'm flattered but I wouldn't go that far lol. I'll leave that title to Marquis.

Annnd SS is coming around the bend.. day 2 of being official and they've nearly taken the lead over FT26 in followers! I suspect by day 3 we'll have the lead!
 
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Rn110bg101 said:
I'm just going to say that I don't think this is a good idea, at least not with the name of the forum plastered on it. The last thing we need is more attention drawn to this forum by pro-lifers, be it people or governments that are very active on social media.
Some of us do not have money for a VPN if this site gets restricted in our countries.

I do feel like engaging with a community that consists of <100 followers may not be worth the potential negative exposure. They aren't a legitimate threat and likely never will be. Most "grassroots" organizations fail and this one doesn't seem to be very well-organized or led.
 
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Brick In The Wall said:
I'm flattered but I wouldn't go that far lol. I'll leave that title to Marquis.

Annnd SS is coming around the bend.. day 2 of being official and they've nearly taken the lead over FT26 in followers! I suspect by day 3 we'll have the lead!
Marquis didn't ask for this but his family has grown quite big
 
braketimez

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Marquis said:
We have a Twitter account, and we're using it starting today.

It was a placeholder for a while, but we're going to start actively using it.


Edit: We would recommend using a burner account if you end up following us.
To be blunt, I see absolutely no benefit of having a Twitter at all. Attention is quantifiable. The more attention we get, whatever kind it may be, the more intense everyone’s feelings about this site will be. Just not a good idea at all.

That matters because in today’s world, the more intense peoples feelings are about a controversial site or platform, the more it is politically correct to get rid of said controversy.

This is unwise, and an ignorant attempt to try to “change peoples opinions” or make an impact with social media about such a drastically deeply ingrained moral position.

The spirit of social justice is admirable, but a dangerous one when it comes to this site.

We need to do everything we can to protect our members here, and making a fuss on Twitter about others’ opinions is ridiculous. I’ve already looked at the tweets, and I see no productive value in feeble debates with individuals or weak and irrational organizations who will do nothing But bring us more attention from radical pro-life bigots.

Bigots who will never change their mind. This is really no different than political ploys that merely stir up emotions and reinforce viewpoints that cannot be changed. And will not ever change.

Mark my words, this site will most likely get shut down in a few years if we keep this kind of immature publicized exposure up.
 
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Zero benefit at all to having a twitter account in my view. It will just entrench opinion further on either side of an unbreachable divide, causing nothing but conflict and negative attention.
It will may also cause fear and division within this site, with vulnerable members retreating away from the drama and being potentially denied their reasons for being here, at least if those reasons include support or recovery.
We've seen this sort of thing before and it solves nothing. People left during that episode, never to return.
The only small benefit to be had is to allow vocal members to share consensus and solidarity against a perceived foe. However, the price may be to the detriment of less vocal members and may be counterproductive in the long run.
 
braketimez

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RainAndSadness said:
Good. We shouldn't be afraid to have a discussion about the right to die. I think we all should stop running away from this question and confront people that oppose the right to die and call them out for their bullshit, the same way Philip Nitschke did in several interviews when confronted about Exit International. We have the moral and legal high ground, the courts are with us that suicide is a human right and we can easily win moral debates on the right to die with rational, logical arguments. The other side doesn't have any sane arguments in favor of restricting the legal and moral right to commit suicide. They can't make coherent arguments as to why it's morally right to keep consenting and informed individuals from making the decision to end their own life, therefore violating their autonomy and most basic human rights. As I said in the past, the European Court of Human Rights agreed several times that suicide is an "expression of individual autonomy" during the last few centuries in cases that were about assisted suicide. The highest court in Germany just recently ruled very similar, implying that people have a right to decide the time and circumstances of their own death. They can't win this argument. That's why they scream and whine on Twitter instead, literally inventing ad hominems and false narratives in an attempt to gain public sympathy. It won't work.

where is your evidence courts are on our side?

if they were truly unanimously on our side, then euthanasia would be legalized everywhere...
 
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braketimez said:
To be blunt, I see absolutely no benefit of having a Twitter at all. Attention is quantifiable. The more attention we get, whatever kind it may be, the more intense everyone’s feelings about this site will be. Just not a good idea at all.

That matters because in today’s world, the more intense peoples feelings are about a controversial site or platform, the more it is politically correct to get rid of said controversy.

This is unwise, and an ignorant attempt to try to “change peoples opinions” or make an impact with social media about such a drastically deeply ingrained moral position.

The spirit of social justice is admirable, but a dangerous one when it comes to this site.

We need to do everything we can to protect our members here, and making a fuss on Twitter about others’ opinions is ridiculous. I’ve already looked at the tweets, and I see no productive value in feeble debates with individuals or weak and irrational organizations who will do nothing But bring us more attention from radical pro-life bigots.

Bigots who will never change their mind. This is really no different than political ploys that merely stir up emotions and reinforce viewpoints that cannot be changed. And will not ever change.

Mark my words, this site will most likely get shut down in a few years if we keep this kind of immature publicized exposure up.
A lot of what you say is true and i agree with a lot of what you say. But fixthe26.com are saying that we are are luring and convincing children or minors to kill themselves and that we get off on that and also getting other vulnerable people to kill themselves. But as we all here know all that are lies : fixthe26.com fabricated those lies which are slander and libel in order to get this website shut down which is their goal. So imo some of us who have time and are willing and daring should call them out on these lies.

On this website sanctionedsuicide I haven't seen anyone encourage others to commit suicide .I think most on this site are like me. I decided long ago i needed to commit suicide. This website didn't convince me of anything. Your argument does show that's it's very hard to make people change their minds and that's one of their lies that we change minds to make them want to commit suicide.
 
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peacefullpainless said:
A lot of what you say is true and i agree with a lot of what you say. But fixthe26com are saying that we are are luring and convincing children or minors to kill themselves and that we get off on that and also getting other vulnerable people to kill themselves. But as we all here know all that are lies : fixthe26.com fabricated those lies which are slander and libel in order to get this website shut down which is their goal. So imo some of us who have time and are willing and daring should call them out on these lies
Do you honestly believe people will believe us if we “call out their lies” on Twitter?

Because we already take a morally debased stance on suicide in society’s perspective, they will be biased against anything we say...even if we were to try and provide evidence against the lies.

Furthermore, Twitter is not the place to express vague and pathetic rebuttals.

At this point, trying to challenge the lies just makes us seem like We are covering something up to them.

I stand by what I said before.
 
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If members could be uniformly relied upon to give calm and respectful responses to accusations, rather than ad hominem attacks, then at least it would not add fuel to the fire, even if it would create more divisiveness.

That's not how twitter works though. It's a seething pit of hate filled superiority and narcissism. Attack and counter-attack which bears no fruit other than bitterness.
 
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Underscore said:
If members could be uniformly relied upon to give calm and respectful responses to accusations, rather than ad hominem attacks, then at least it would not add fuel to the fire, even if it would create more divisiveness.

That's not how twitter works though. It's a seething pit of hate filled superiority and narcissism. Attack and counter-attack which bears no fruit other than bitterness.

It's hard not to be bitter at them, sadly. They are crusading against the only place I feel at home, and accusing horrible sh*t on all of us (murdering kids, rape, pedophillia...). I can't help but feel animosity towards them, and a drive to protect SS members. At the same time, they are so unreasonable, no matter how much respect you can try and give, they will still tunnel-vision the 'bad' they see in SS.

With that said. Having a twitter still probably isn't the best all-around idea.
Might as well use it until twitter decides to join in on the censorship, because pro-choice bad!
 
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I'm honestly very interested on seeing how that account turns out. Might give a louder voice to the community. Is okay that we want to keep a low profile but we can defend our way of thinking too.
 
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Lone_Gray_Wolf said:
Is okay that we want to keep a low profile but we can defend our way of thinking too.
You can't have a low profile and make your voice heard, either people won't listen to you because your voice is so low or they will listen but they will also know about you, unless you pull some sort of Anonymous but this is clearly not the idea here.
 
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BooGirl said:
Yeah, I'm willing to bet that Twitter'll ban it. But still, it's good to get the word out as much as we can!

Also, in other news, that Vice article is fucking disgusting.
Link? (Use spoiler)