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thetwilightzone

thetwilightzone

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Jul 14, 2018
307
Reasons that don't involve to any degree guilt-tripping or shaming someone for dying. I'm set in my belief that I want to die but I'm just wondering how people are able to push through a life filled with boredom, exhaustion, despair, confusion, regret etc... What's the "carrot at the end of the stick" for them?

Every day I try to try my best but it all seems so goddamned pointless. I saw something on Reddit that "Forget motivation, what you need is discipline" but what's the point in being disciplined if life is pointless at so many turns?

I don't know if this rings true for anyone else but it seems that my existential crisis/suicidal ideation has always been there, ever since I was a pre-teen (8 years) I went through a normal phase of being really depressed (though not suicidal) then being really happy but now I've been completely sad and haven't experienced any positive moments whatsoever. I've done nothing this summer at all. My parents hardly buy food, I don't have a job
 
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Dip

Student
Jul 27, 2018
171
I don't know if this rings true for anyone else but it seems that my existential crisis/suicidal ideation has always been there, ever since I was a pre-teen (8 years) I went through a normal phase of being really depressed (though not suicidal) then being really happy

Such a phase is only considered normal in contemporary society, not in tribal societies in general.

Here are some quick examples:

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/new-freakonomics-radio-podcast-the-suicide-paradox/

Here's a handy transcript of part of the podcast that might interest you:

"
Stephen Dubner (host): “Dan Everett is a college professor. A linguist. Off and on for the past thirty years he’s lived with a tribe in the Amazon called the Pirahã.”

Dan Everett: “I originally went to the Pirahã as a missionary to translate the Bible into their language. But over the course of many years they wound up converting me and I became a scientist instead, and I studied their culture and its effects on their language.”

Host: “The Pirahã live in huts, sleep on the ground, hunt with bows and arrows. But what really caught Everett’s attention is that they are relentlessly happy. Really happy.”

Dan Everett: “This happiness and this contentment is really what had a lot to do with me abandoning my religious goals and my religion altogether, because they seemed to have it a lot more together than most religious people I knew.”

Host: “But this isn’t just another story about some faraway tribe that’s really happy even though they don’t have all the stuff that we have. It’s a story about something that happened during Everett’s early days with the tribe. He and his wife and his three young kids had just finished dinner. Everett gathered about thirty Pirahã in his hut to preach to them.”

Dan Everett: “I was still a very fervent Christian missionary and I wanted to tell them how God had changed my life. So I told them a story about my stepmother and how she had committed suicide because she was so depressed and so lost. For the word ‘depressed’ I used the word sad, so she was very sad, she was crying, she felt lost and she shot herself in the head and she died. And this had a large spiritual impact on me, and I later became a missionary and came to the Pirahã because of all this experience triggered by her suicide. And I told this story as tenderly as I could and tried to communicate that it had a huge impact on me, and when I was finished, everyone burst out laughing….When I asked them, ‘why are you laughing?’ they said, ‘She killed herself! That’s really funny to us! We don’t kill ourselves. You mean you people, you white people, shoot yourselves in the head? We shoot animals, we kill animals, we don’t kill ourselves.’ They just found it absolutely inexplicable and without precedent in their own experience that someone would kill themselves.”

Host: “In the thirty years that Everett has been studying the Pirahã, there have been zero suicides. Now, it’s not that suicide doesn’t happen in the Amazon. For other tribes, it’s a problem.”

Dan Everett: “And as I’ve told this story, some people have suggested that well, it’s because they don’t have the stresses of modern life. But that’s just not true. There’s almost 100 percent endemic malaria among the people. They’re sick a lot. Their children die at probably 75 percent; 75 percent of the children die before they reach the age of five or six. These are astounding pressures.”

Host:: "A group of people that laughs at suicide? That doesn’t sound much like the U.S. does it?”
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Here's more:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirahã_people

"Daniel Everett states that one of the strongest Pirahã values is no coercion; you simply don't tell other people what to do.[6] There appears to be no social hierarchy; the Pirahã have no formal leaders. Their social system can thus be labeled as primitive communism, in common with many other hunter-gatherer bands in the world, although rare in the Amazon because of a history of agriculture before Western contact (see history of the Amazon)."

Plenty more examples of other hunter-gatherer bands in the world, but that's the most detailed one I can think of at the moment. As you can see from their description, the Piraha social system is hardly unique among hunter-gatherer tribes.

Here's more info from a guy who visited multiple African tribes over seven years:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...frican-tribes-says-lesson-happiness-from.html

Reasons that don't involve to any degree guilt-tripping or shaming someone for dying. I'm set in my belief that I want to die but I'm just wondering how people are able to push through a life filled with boredom, exhaustion, despair, confusion, regret etc... What's the "carrot at the end of the stick" for them?

Pokémon. It might seem silly at first until you see this ;3
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That and having access to economic/social/environmental statistical data and being able to process and compare it with a few clicks. Amazing stuff.
 
Pulpit2018

Pulpit2018

Experienced
Oct 8, 2018
287
Positive stuff?
Ahem.You are in the wrong neighborhood son!

Entertainment has never been so easily available as right now. Whether it be games, music or netflix shows - its all readily available. I like that.

And most of it is crap,and shrinking your intelligence.
How many times are you going to rewatch Breaking Bad,The Wire and True Detective?
Entertainment is good to pass some time until your plans materialize,but it is not a serious reason to live.
I would hope not anyway.

Games is a similar thing.Great to pass time,but a distraction overall.

I think the only reliable way,might be through work.
If you love your work or try to establish something for yourself,you might have motivation to reach further.Also you have something to sustain you in the meantime.
But having passion for your work for years that endures the slings and arrows of life,is a big issue.
 
21Neberg

21Neberg

Enlightened
Dec 17, 2018
1,624
Positive stuff?
Ahem.You are in the wrong neighborhood son!



And most of it is crap,and shrinking your intelligence.
How many times are you going to rewatch Breaking Bad,The Wire and True Detective?
Entertainment is good to pass some time until your plans materialize,but it is not a serious reason to live.
I would hope not anyway.

Games is a similar thing.Great to pass time,but a distraction overall.

I think the only reliable way,might be through work.
If you love your work or try to establish something for yourself,you might have motivation to reach further.Also you have something to sustain you in the meantime.
But having passion for your work for years that endures the slings and arrows of life,is a big issue.

Well I never said they were reasons to live, did I? Otherwise I certainly wouldn't be on this forum. I just said it was nice. My bad, I shouldnt have replied to this thread.
 
Pulpit2018

Pulpit2018

Experienced
Oct 8, 2018
287
Well I never said they were reasons to live, did I? Otherwise I certainly wouldn't be on this forum. I just said it was nice. My bad, I shouldnt have replied to this thread.

Its ok.Sorry if you did not mean reasons to live.I followed the original question.

Its just personally,i would not put entertainment as really significant.Just my view.
 
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Armadillo

Experienced
Oct 24, 2018
224
Well it is pointless, every human being has a more or less strong desire for meaning but there's no such thing as meaning in nature.
But that doesn't make human life bad as a rule (well, a lot of people are happy... duh), we GIVE meaning/value to things, usually things that give us relatively long term happiness or we think they do.
The fact is though that what works for me might not work for you and vice versa.
Some people like having friends, others being alone, some people like learning new things, to others novelty is non-stimulating, some take pleasure in helping others, others from hurting them.

Even the same individual might change their idea on what is meaningful. Hell, when I was a kid I believed that books and videogames were sufficient for my everlasting happiness. Damn I was wrong...
 
Rose Mirren

Rose Mirren

roses are so overrated
Dec 10, 2018
101
Unfulfilled dreams

Though right now it seems very much impossible to achieve them but the thought (or maybe even fantasy at this point) of me being able to reach these dreams makes me last a little longer
 
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Compodulator

Enlightened
Nov 8, 2018
1,343
For me it's... I'm not sure how to call it.
Basically, I'm waiting for a declaration of surgery (or declaration of it not happening).
If it happens, I always wanted to be a musician. Not always, but in school I saw a very certain guy who was surrounded by girls (and some guys. Didn't know gays exist at the time) and decided I want to be like him. Attracting people by music. This dream changed a little - now I want to become one of those traveling musicians.

Another piece of it is a bit more religious - a lot of religious scriptures agree on one thing: if you die of age, you get to meet and have a chat with god. Tea and biscuits are not openly stated, but heavily implied.
The old motherfucker owes me some fucking luxirious tea and damn fine biscuits by now.
 
Rose Mirren

Rose Mirren

roses are so overrated
Dec 10, 2018
101
The old motherfucker owes me some fucking luxirious tea and damn fine biscuits by now.

AHAHAHAHAHA I LAUGHED SO HARD AT THE LAST LINE

I once had a thought: They say life is a wheel of fortune, sometimes up and sometimes down. Well, I've spent 7 years down so if I'm not getting my 7 years up, I'll go to the doors of both heaven and hell and demand a fucking refund.
 
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OkTotti

Wizard
Nov 6, 2018
613
This is a video that I found to be inspiring, not to the point where I stopped suicidal ideation but it hit me hard and gives me sliver of hope. This is a youtube video of Ahmed Best, the actor who played Jar Jar Binks in Star Wars who became depressed to the point of a near suicide attempt because the backlash from this character. Maybe survival instinct isn't such a bad thing...

 
not-2-b-the-answer

not-2-b-the-answer

Illuminated
Mar 23, 2018
3,111
I want out of here so bad but I do enjoy music … mostly hard rock & metal but I like other music as well.
Also tv and movies. I seem to like comedies the best then drama, sci fi or SyFy (Depending on how you want to spell it.) :wink:
Even action movies and some horror (but I don't watch many of those) not enough time to watch everything. :wink: