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As the title why do people who have everything CTB or become hermits?
If you had everything would you CTB?
 
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money = drugs = addiction = insanity = desperation = suicide
Its not about the success or money ( people think u have it together when u don't :: must be really lonely) ... though most of the junkys i know are tough / streetwise.
I'm not sure about non- addicts, maybe its relationships, work, general dissatisfaction, if I could afford it I would hermit completely. I've moved out of the city hoping to get perspective :: I'd rather be lonely than panick in society.
My thoughts at 2am, insomnia strikes again. Thank you jeesus for netflix!
 
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Drugs are the primary culprit, but there are others

Chester's passing really hit me deep. His voice and songs were part of my teenage years.
In his case I think it was mostly depression due to the loss of his friend.
 
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Oftentimes it's not what you have that influences the desire to ctb, but who you are.

Money and sex and success doesn't make mental illness go away. And mental illness is what makes people commit suicide, whether it's through ctb from depression, overdose from substance abuse, etc.
 
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Usually they don't CTB on purpose.

The famous case of Kurt Cobain was because he had IBS or other serious gastrointestinal issues.

When you factor in all the rockstars with the ones that actually CTB'd, you realize a lot of them lived even through the drugs and dangerous lifestyles they lived.

just face it dude, people who are successful and happy don't feel like us. We aren't in the same dimension let alone reality.
 
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Drugs are the primary culprit, but there are others

Chester's passing really hit me deep. His voice and songs were part of my teenage years.
In his case I think it was mostly depression due to the loss of his friend.
He had children and a wife. I can understand losing a friend is painful...but Idk...perhaps he became fixated on it...with a start back of drugs.
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Oftentimes it's not what you have that influences the desire to ctb, but who you are.

Money and sex and success doesn't make mental illness go away. And mental illness is what makes people commit suicide, whether it's through ctb from depression, overdose from substance abuse, etc.

Mental illness is not the ONLY factor in suicide. This is a gross assumption popular in media. Financial issues are a major reason for some. To lump all those who suicide as mental is wrong. Also people physically sick do it as well. Really poverty is a huge reason. Unemployment and suicide is a researched phenomenon.
 
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There are a number who go "crazy" etc
Obviously going "crazy" isn't as bad as we think but the media can have a field day.
 
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Lottery winners, people who become famous, and others who suddenly find themselves with everything they wished for can find that they are in a different situation than they expected.

1. When you buy a lot of stuff, you have to take care of it (maintenance, taxes, repairs, security) soon all your stuff (that you thought you owned) starts to own you.
2. When you have a lot of what others want, they seek you out to get it. Soon you find yourself surrounded by people that want to rob you or get you to given them stuff.
3. Most people are motivated by consumption. We go to work because we want to eat and have a warm place to sleep. If we no longer have to work, many people find life empty and meaningless.

The movie "Groundhog Day" is kind of an example of the sort of emptiness one can find in having everything. Slowly the guy begins to explore learning things and helping others. In a way his salvation is found in giving rather than consuming.
 
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I think No 2 is very common, then looking from another prospective people who just live of others why aren't they suicidal.
Why does it make the person being leeched off distress when they realise but not the leech for being a useless leech.
 
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There is a great variety among people. Some are very tall and others very short. One might consider the variety in the capacity to be sensitive to others (perhaps a selfishness to selflessness spectrum). Those that operate on a more animalistic predatory level (leeches) seem to have little ability to be bothered by what would bother others.

The bible describes some people who have consciences that have been "seared". Others are described as having "debased" minds. Regardless of whether people are born this way or become this way, there are those that are best avoided.

Those who are more sensitive may be more vulnerable to considering suicide simply because of their sensitivity. Such sensitivity would almost require taking pains to avoid those people who by their nature bring discomfort to others.
 
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He had children and a wife. I can understand losing a friend is painful...but Idk...perhaps he became fixated on it...with a start back of drugs.


Mental illness is not the ONLY factor in suicide. This is a gross assumption popular in media. Financial issues are a major reason for some. To lump all those who suicide as mental is wrong. Also people physically sick do it as well. Really poverty is a huge reason. Unemployment and suicide is a researched phenomenon.
Pehnomenon? I don't see why. It should be the most obvious and natural reason because money takes up 90% of everybody's life and it never begins without money.

Nobody lives long without money.
 
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Wanting to CTB is very common w/ highly intelligent and talented people. Many times those type people can hit the highest of highs but then much experience the lowest of lows to balance our the system. I have had a few friends CTB and they were all very talented, healthy and wealthy... Life just got too much for them and they CTB to find peace. It's ironic that so many people chase fame and fortune only to find out that it's not all that it's cracked up to be. Lot's and lot's of rich, talented people have CTB... and Im sure there will be many, many more.
 
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I think for quite a few people being rich would solve alot of there problems, so just seems strange to ctb.
At a guess there extremness? is what make them a celebrity in the first place and what also causes them to be volatile.
 
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I think for quite a few people being rich would solve alot of there problems, so just seems strange to ctb.
At a guess there extremness? is what make them a celebrity in the first place and what also causes them to be volatile.
You know, without implying any meaning, and witthout being sarcastic.

You are so right, but you are so wrong.

Money and me never having it, and constantly being depressed because my life never got started (I am much worse than most in this regard) due to generational poverty is why I will die personally. And then, when I've never had the reason to live, when I would never know what to do with money if I was rich - they don't entice.

I have always known as an internal truth, never spoken to anybody else and not even to myself out loud - even if I had huge amounts of money, I will never be satiafied, just like the uber rich. So if I am as good as dead now, nothing would have changed then.

Ye know.. dying inside because I'm not rich, but exhaling, in relief, because even if I was, I'd be no good.
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I think for quite a few people being rich would solve alot of there problems, so just seems strange to ctb.
At a guess there extremness? is what make them a celebrity in the first place and what also causes them to be volatile.
In my opinion I think you did a decent job of answering your own curiosity. Personally I'd replace "extremeness" with "mental illness".

I mean. Wealth does not guard one from dangerous terminal illness's like cancer. Why would we think that somehow wealth protects them from mental illness's that may lead to suicide?

For many who deal with major depression (myself included) we don't know why we are depressed. We don't have a reason to be so sad. Often that's what depression is. If I was forced to decide what caused my depression I'd probably say it was my shitty childhood and highly dysfunctional verbally abusive parents relationship. How's money going to fix that? Money can't undo the past just as it can not cure cancer. Then there's the fact that the christian bible told my parents divorce was a sin if no one was cheating on each other. The fact is that the divorce was necessary to stop exposing us kids to abuse. Money won't stop this false religion.

You said that for many people you think being rich would solve a lot of their problems. Like what though?

Financial stress is just one cause of depression. I can't stress enough how many of us out there just don't even know why we are depressed. I can't stress enough that money doesn't buy a cure.

It's like the old saying which is very true. Money can't buy happiness.

Do you struggle with depression or suicidal thoughts? Do you think being wealthy would cure you?
I think so much of mental health is about having GOOD friendships. Something money does nothing for.
 
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In my opinion I think you did a decent job of answering your own curiosity. Personally I'd replace "extremeness" with "mental illness".

I mean. Wealth does not guard one from dangerous terminal illness's like cancer. Why would we think that somehow wealth protects them from mental illness's that may lead to suicide?

For many who deal with major depression (myself included) we don't know why we are depressed. We don't have a reason to be so sad. Often that's what depression is. If I was forced to decide what caused my depression I'd probably say it was my shitty childhood and highly dysfunctional verbally abusive parents relationship. How's money going to fix that? Money can't undo the past just as it can not cure cancer.

You said that for many people you think being rich would solve a lot of their problems. Like what though?

Financial stress is just one cause of depression. I can't stress enough how many of us out there just don't even know why we are depressed. I can't stress enough that money doesn't buy a cure.

It's like the old saying which is very true. Money can't buy happiness.

Do you struggle with depression or suicidal thoughts? Do you think being wealthy would cure you?
I think so much of mental health is about having GOOD friendships. Something money does nothing for.
I think it's important to note that not all people...rich rockstars or regular folk off themselves because they have mental problems or have depression. Perhaps some just can't fill the time...find nothing to really do. I literally have nothing to do. It has nothing to do with depression. It's reality. Should I crochet? Knit? Oragami? Nope doesn't sound great.

Money would keep me afloat. Sure I still wouldn't have shit to do though, but I could buy a company or business and that could fill some time.

I'm just tired of the notion that it takes someone mentally ill to kill themselves. This isn't true.
 
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I think it's important to note that not all people...rich rockstars or regular folk off themselves because they have mental problems or have depression. Perhaps some just can't fill the time...find nothing to really do. I literally have nothing to do. It has nothing to do with depression. It's reality. Should I crochet? Knit? Oragami? Nope doesn't sound great.
Are you saying that boredom would cause someone to want to commit suicide?


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I'm just tired of the notion that it takes someone mentally ill to kill themselves. This isn't true.
My first knee jerk response would be to say that I completely and respectfully disagree. I also fully recognize I could be wrong here. But without much thought or looking up any definitions I would personally consider having suicidal thoughts or being suicidal is itself a state of mental illness.

I'm kinda thinking I could imagine boredom leading to mental illness. Or in other words maybe living without a purpose. Or having no reason to live could cause someone to be suicidal.

I see what you said about using the money to find something to occupy your time, like a business. And surely I 100% agree that doing something and maybe even having some purpose could help someone feel better. While I don't think money is a cure I do agree it grants one to more options to help them feel better.

But personally (right now at least) I just can't imagine how someone who is actively suicidal could be considered to be in good mental health.

I could be wrong here too but I think many celebs who did kill themselves were known to struggle with mental illness. Such as Robin Williams.

What I'm curious about and I would love to hear you elaborate about is this notion that being suicidal is somehow of good mental health. Or in other words. How can someone who is suicidal NOT be considered mentally ill?

I recognize I could be wrong. I'm just feeling really confused.
 
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Are you saying that boredom would cause someone to want to commit suicide?



My first knee jerk response would be to say that I completely and respectfully disagree. I also fully recognize I could be wrong here. But without much thought or looking up any definitions I would personally consider having suicidal thoughts or being suicidal is itself a state of mental illness.

I'm kinda thinking I could imagine boredom leading to mental illness. Or in other words maybe living without a purpose. Or having no reason to live could cause someone to be suicidal.

I see what you said about using the money to find something to occupy your time, like a business. And surely I 100% agree that doing something and maybe even having some purpose could help someone feel better. While I don't think money is a cure I do agree it grants one to more options to help them feel better.

But personally (right now at least) I just can't imagine how someone who is actively suicidal could be considered to be in good mental health.

I could be wrong here too but I think many celebs who did kill themselves were known to struggle with mental illness. Such as Robin Williams.

What I'm curious about and I would love to hear you elaborate about is this notion that being suicidal is somehow of good mental health. Or in other words. How can someone who is suicidal NOT be considered mentally ill?

I recognize I could be wrong. I'm just feeling really confused.
Sure. People who are unemployed kill themselves. So do people with no or very little retirement. They aren't mentally ill. People evicted, people who have to give up all their possessions and pets...They aren't mental. They can't afford shelter.

Robin Williams had a physical illness that was incapasitating him. I don't know about being mental...but his condition was affecting his brain/movements/memory.

My cousin shot himself. He wasn't mentally ill. He was isolated and had no money coming in.

I'm not depressed. I'm purely anxious due to my situation and reality. Money and having nothing to do sucks. Yes, people have included in their suicide notes that they are bored.

I talk to people all day on SS and most/perhaps all seem to be in their right minds. It's their realities and situations that fucking suck and are stuck....firstly due to finances.

People kills themselves in many poor countries. They are not all mentally ill. There are people unable to live anywhere but their job's housing building phones for 12+ hrs a day. They aren't mental for wanting to off themselves. Libya has an active slave trade selling human beings. If a slave kills themselves it's not due to being mental.

People live in really abhorent conditions. OR they are bored as fuck and poor and know there's no retirement coming. Life takes money.

Girls raped and then kill themselves aren't mentally ill.

It's a really 1st world concept, those who buy in to the weight of their depression that think everyone is depressed.

Drug addicts who decide to off themselves aren't mental. They are tired of needing something and it destroying their lives.

Be depressed and gainfully employed. Be depressed and poor with no future money and become in reality.
 
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Mental illness is not the ONLY factor in suicide. This is a gross assumption popular in media. Financial issues are a major reason for some. To lump all those who suicide as mental is wrong. Also people physically sick do it as well. Really poverty is a huge reason. Unemployment and suicide is a researched phenomenon.
What you've listed here frankly sounds like a list of cause's and contributing factors to mental illness's like depression or bipolor or otherwise.
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Sure. People who are unemployed kill themselves. So do people with no or very little retirement. They aren't mentally ill. People evicted, people who have to give up all their possessions and pets...They aren't mental. They can't afford shelter.

Robin Williams had a physical illness that was incapasitating him. I don't know about being mental...but his condition was affecting his brain/movements/memory.

My cousin shot himself. He wasn't mentally ill. He was isolated and had no money coming in.

I'm not depressed. I'm purely anxious due to my situation and reality. Money and having nothing to do sucks. Yes, people have included in their suicide notes that they are bored.

I talk to people all day on SS and most/perhaps all seem to be in their right minds. It's their realities and situations that fucking suck and are stuck....firstly due to finances.

People kills themselves in many poor countries. They are not all mentally ill. There are people unable to live anywhere but their job's housing building phones for 12+ hrs a day. They aren't mental for wanting to off themselves. Libya has an active slave trade selling human beings. If a slave kills themselves it's not due to being mental.

People live in really abhorent conditions. OR they are bored as fuck and poor and know there's no retirement coming. Life takes money.

Girls raped and then kill themselves aren't mentally ill.

It's a really 1st world concept, those who buy in to the weight of their depression that think everyone is depressed.

Drug addicts who decide to off themselves aren't mental. They are tired of needing something and it destroying their lives.

Be depressed and gainfully employed. Be depressed and poor with no future money and become in reality.
Again I would like to point out that nearly everything you've listed here as reason to ctb are all well known causes and contributing factors to be depressed or anxious or whatever mental struggle one can struggle with. I never said that all suicidal people are depressed.

Dealing with anxiety is another mental illness that can lead to suicide. I'm not saying only depressed people kill themselves. Not by any means.

To be completely honest, and I'm not trying to offend at all. It seems you might be struggling with stigma of mental illness. I don't call anyone 'mental' as an insult. In fact I never refer to anyone like that.

It should be fully expected that any strong human could face hardships and challenges they can't get over and that this is likely to lead to mental illness. Even if it's not depression.

You mentioned rape. Rape is well known to cause trauma. Trauma is well known to lead to mental illness.

You mentioned conversations with people on SS. And how we seem to be in our right mind. Well....struggling with mental illness doesn't mean someone loses touch with logic or can't have reasonable conversations.

You mentioned several examples about poor people struggling to meet their basic needs. It's known that one does need to be able to meet their basic needs to be in good mental heatlhs.

I'm sure a slave would have every reason to be struggling with some sort of mental illness like depression or anxiety. How could they not? I know I wouldn't be able to.

Obviously you're trying to make the case against mental illness but practically every suicide reason you've listed is a well known reason to be the cause of mental illness. It's well documented that human brains don't respond well to these situations. And I'm not saying the human brain should respond well to such situations. But when a human brain does encounter such situations and feels so tortured it wants to kill itself....that is mental illness.

It sounds like you're saying that these suicidal people aren't mentally ill because they had legitimate reasons to kill themselves. Even if a mental illness has an obvious real life bad situation cause, it's still a mental illness.

I just want to add that most who struggle with mental illness don't get treatment for many years. Someone doesn't have to go to the dr or therapist to deal with mental illness.
 
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What you've listed here frankly sounds like a list of cause's and contributing factors to mental illness's like depression or bipolor or otherwise.

Again I would like to point out that nearly everything you've listed here as reason to ctb are all well known causes and contributing factors to be depressed or anxious or whatever mental struggle one can struggle with. I never said that all suicidal people are depressed.

Dealing with anxiety is another mental illness that can lead to suicide. I'm not saying only depressed people kill themselves. Not by any means.

To be completely honest, and I'm not trying to offend at all. It seems you might be struggling with stigma of mental illness. I don't call anyone 'mental' as an insult. In fact I never refer to anyone like that.

It should be fully expected that any strong human could face hardships and challenges they can't get over and that this is likely to lead to mental illness. Even if it's not depression.

You mentioned rape. Rape is well known to cause trauma. Trauma is well known to lead to mental illness.

You mentioned conversations with people on SS. And how we seem to be in our right mind. Well....struggling with mental illness doesn't mean someone loses touch with logic or can't have reasonable conversations.

You mentioned several examples about poor people struggling to meet their basic needs. It's known that one does need to be able to meet their basic needs to be in good mental heatlhs.

I'm sure a slave would have every reason to be struggling with some sort of mental illness like depression or anxiety. How could they not? I know I wouldn't be able to.

Obviously you're trying to make the case against mental illness but practically every suicide reason you've listed is a well known reason to be the cause of mental illness. It's well documented that human brains don't respond well to these situations. And I'm not saying the human brain should respond well to such situations. But when a human brain does encounter such situations and feels so tortured it wants to kill itself....that is mental illness.

It sounds like you're saying that these suicidal people aren't mentally ill because they had legitimate reasons to kill themselves. Even if a mental illness has an obvious real life bad situation cause, it's still a mental illness.

I just want to add that most who struggle with mental illness don't get treatment for many years. Someone doesn't have to go to the dr or therapist to deal with mental illness.
Excellent. Let me add living alone, it begets mental ilness.
 
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What you've listed here frankly sounds like a list of cause's and contributing factors to mental illness's like depression or bipolor or otherwise.

Again I would like to point out that nearly everything you've listed here as reason to ctb are all well known causes and contributing factors to be depressed or anxious or whatever mental struggle one can struggle with. I never said that all suicidal people are depressed.

Dealing with anxiety is another mental illness that can lead to suicide. I'm not saying only depressed people kill themselves. Not by any means.

To be completely honest, and I'm not trying to offend at all. It seems you might be struggling with stigma of mental illness. I don't call anyone 'mental' as an insult. In fact I never refer to anyone like that.

It should be fully expected that any strong human could face hardships and challenges they can't get over and that this is likely to lead to mental illness. Even if it's not depression.

You mentioned rape. Rape is well known to cause trauma. Trauma is well known to lead to mental illness.

You mentioned conversations with people on SS. And how we seem to be in our right mind. Well....struggling with mental illness doesn't mean someone loses touch with logic or can't have reasonable conversations.

You mentioned several examples about poor people struggling to meet their basic needs. It's known that one does need to be able to meet their basic needs to be in good mental heatlhs.

I'm sure a slave would have every reason to be struggling with some sort of mental illness like depression or anxiety. How could they not? I know I wouldn't be able to.

Obviously you're trying to make the case against mental illness but practically every suicide reason you've listed is a well known reason to be the cause of mental illness. It's well documented that human brains don't respond well to these situations. And I'm not saying the human brain should respond well to such situations. But when a human brain does encounter such situations and feels so tortured it wants to kill itself....that is mental illness.

It sounds like you're saying that these suicidal people aren't mentally ill because they had legitimate reasons to kill themselves. Even if a mental illness has an obvious real life bad situation cause, it's still a mental illness.

I just want to add that most who struggle with mental illness don't get treatment for many years. Someone doesn't have to go to the dr or therapist to deal with mental illness.
100% disgree. I don't doubt some people struggle with mental disorders however life cirumstances and genuine emotion are real things. You're lumping people into something that's frankly not true and it negates their true struggles and harsh realities. Reality and mental disorder are two different things. People killing themselves can be in reality.

It sounds like you are sold on your beliefs...so that means you think all on SS are mentally ill. This isn't true. Real life situations attribute to suicide.
 
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To be completely honest, and I'm not trying to offend at all. It seems you might be struggling with stigma of mental illness.
I dont think she is struggling with a stigma of mental illness. To be honest and i dont mean this in offensive way, I think you are too brainwashed by psychiatry and psychology, to rush into labelling all abnormal behavior as result of mental illness. No suicide in itself isnt a mental illness. It is a natural response to want an end when the future seem full of struggle and unnecessary pain. To shift the blame of suicide totally on mental illness derails from the real reasons why ideation exist in the first place. Calling suicide a mental illness is a dangerous move because it wont serve us to get to the roots of the problem and instead we will decide it can be treated by psychiatry and psychology instead of better policies to address things like poverty, housing, aging and retiremenet that contributes to people suicide ideation.
 
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No, if I had everything I would not choose to off myself. I would find shit to do and I would not feel embarrassed about anything. If I had to be alone however I think I would choose to exit.

What about you? @IsThisTheEnd?

I think uber rich people sometimes croak because they are alone...or in a toxic relationship. I think they become hermits due to having no connections to people. This reminds me of Howard Hughes...He has a lot of problems. His story is long. He didn't off himself...but it was bad. The guy from Alice n Chains was fucked by drugs. Idk....good post. Sorry to take it over giving my two bits.
 
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It is a natural response to want an end when the future seem full of struggle and unnecessary pain.
I completely agree with that sentence. As I previously stated it's expected that terrible life situations may lead to mental illness.

It's natural when we catch a viral infection (like covid) to suffer symptoms. But because the response is natural we don't say the person with the viral infection is not suffering an illness. Or when someone gets cancer from tobacco use. We do not say that person doesn't have an illness cause the symptoms are a natural response to the cause.

Like I previously said. The human brain is well known to have very negative responses to real life situations. Becoming suicidal over real life situations may be normal. But it's not healthy.

Call me crazy, but a suicidal brain is a suffering brain.
 
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I completely agree with that sentence. As I previously stated it's expected that terrible life situations may lead to mental illness.

It's natural when we catch a viral infection (like covid) to suffer symptoms. But because the response is natural we don't say the person with the viral infection is not suffering an illness.

Like I previously said. The human brain is well known to have very negative responses to real life situations. Becoming suicidal over real life situations may be normal. But it's not healthy.

Call me crazy, but a suicidal brain is a suffering brain.
Mental illness doesn't just happen the day someone is gang raped and then chooses to off themselves. Retirement takes a shit ton of money and planning. Good luck.

Like I said my cousin shot himself and wasn't mentally ill. You don't know everything. Even if this is your opinion it doesn't make it true.

You sound like a safe person full of unfounded judgement. Real life issues don't require a mental illness.


He had very miniscule retirement and health issues. Money was his problem. Not any mental disorder.

And...Ignore...
 
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You don't know everything. Even if this is your opinion it doesn't make it true.

And...Ignore...
I never said I knew everything. To be clear I do not. I didnt even finish high school. And I believe i stated a couple times I recognize I could be wrong.

We are all allowed to share our opinions.

After sharing my opinion people brought points to my attention that I chose to respond to.

There is nothing wrong with me responding to people who addressed me in conversation.

Im sorry I said the thing about maybe struggling with stigma.

I hope you all have a great day. I havent had a good day on a while and I prob wont for a while but whatevs.
I wasnt trying to be rude or offensive at all.
I am sorry.
 
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tabletop said:
It's natural when we catch a viral infection (like covid) to suffer symptoms. But because the response is natural we don't say the person with the viral infection is not suffering an illness. Or when someone gets cancer from tobacco use. We do not say that person doesn't have an illness cause the symptoms are a natural response to the cause.
The analogy you brought up doesnt apply at all. Just because someone want to end their lives because they are poor or know their future is a morbid one doesnt mean that it will cause them a mental illness. Your persistence that there has to be a mental illness that precedes suicide is baseless and is a big stretch.
 
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tabletop said:
It's like the old saying which is very true. Money can't buy happiness.
Unless you're a monk or a hermit, financial stability is a necessary component to happiness, even if it's not the only component. Financial destitution is an illness that doesn't let you have peace of mind and significantly shortens your horizons. Most poor people I've met can only afford to think short-term and satisfy immediate needs which ruins their social relations and makes it even harder to get out of poverty. I've also met poor people who became rich, but have not been socially accepted by the "real" rich because their short-term mentality remains and the culturally rich still see them as animals in human clothing.
 
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Makko said:
Unless you're a monk or a hermit, financial stability is a necessary component to happiness, even if it's not the only component. Financial destitution is an illness that doesn't let you have peace of mind and significantly shortens your horizons. Most poor people I've met can only afford to think short-term and satisfy immediate needs which ruins their social relations and makes it even harder to get out of poverty. I've also met poor people who became rich, but have not been socially accepted by the "real" rich because their short-term mentality remains and the culturally rich still see them as animals in human clothing.
Money cannot buy happiness, but it can buy the foundation for happiness.
 
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